Anakin/Vader redeemed - my foot. I don't care if it's "canon". This sick twist did way too much and was too far gone to just suddenly be a "good guy" again just by saving one person - who he had already severed a hand before anyway. That so-called "redemption" doesn't elevate *cough* Anakin/Vader, it only makes Luke less heroic.
No amount of sadness/pathos by fans over Anakin/Vader's own past suffering, or unbelievable sudden attachment to Luke Skywalker or vice versa because of "I'm your father!", will erase the commission of power-hungry and sadistic acts in Anakin Darth Vader Skywalker's past - the guy was capable of extreme sadism and he did it, over and over and over, and he enjoyed it...
Anakin Should Not Have Been Redeemed
He basically killed Mace Windu, killed dozens of Jedi and younglings, and scorched the Jedi temple of all life, planned to kill Sidious, his "friend", to presumably become an even worse Sith Lord, mercilessly killed the whole Separatist Council, basically killed his wife, the selfish reason he did all the former, tried to kill his master, would slay thousands of Jedi during the campaign of the Purge, killed his own Imperial troops for mundane reasons, killed billions of innocents with the Alderaan incident, betrayed his own apprentice twice, while deceiving him the second time, and so much more. But it's ok to say he is forgiven because he saved his own son? After all that, one little action should not have redeemed Anakin.
He still deserved damnation,
Star Wars: 15 Most Disturbing Acts Committed By Darth Vader BY MARGARET MAURER – ON MAY 07, 2017
Darth Vader is not only the central protagonist of the Star Wars prequel trilogy and central antagonist of the original trilogy - he is also one of the most iconic villains of all time. The Sith apprentice has a large fanbase and an even larger cultural capital; around the world, people know what Darth Vader looks like, sounds like, and acts like. His famous misquote, "Luke, I am your father!" is one of the most quoted lines in cinema.
Over his years, both as Anakin Skywalker and as the Sith Lord Darth Vader, it is estimated that Vader has killed around 60 times in the films and almost 400 times in the Darth Vader Marvel comics so far. Countless others have died at his hands, especially if the Jedi executed in Order 66 or the people killed on Alderaan are also included in his death toll.
Examining Star Wars canon, here is a collection of Darth Vader's most sinister, dark, and sometimes downright creative acts of destruction and terror. These are the 15 Most Disturbing Acts Committed By Darth Vader:
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Count Dooku Death Star Wars Revenge of the Sith START NOW 15 EXECUTED THE DEFENCELESS COUNT DOOKU
Count Dooku Death Star Wars Revenge of the Sith In the opening scenes of Revenge of the Sith (2005), Chancellor Palpatine has been "kidnapped" by Count Dooku, and Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker go to rescue him. After Obi-Wan is knocked unconscious, Anakin gives into his hatred while duelling with the Count. He cuts off both of Dooku's hands, leaving him defenceless. Catching Dooku's lightsaber, Anakin holds both blades in an "X" close to the Count's neck. After a moment's hesitation, and at the command of Palpatine, Anakin Skywalker cuts off Dooku's head. Anakin even acknowledges in the moment that executing Dooku in cold blood is not the way of the Jedi. Additionally, it may not even have been the wisest strategy, as the commander of the Separatists may have been more valuable to the Galactic Senate dead than alive. Still, this brutal death illustrates Anakin's embrace of his anger and Palpatine's influence, and it foreshadows his descent and future as the Sith apprentice.
14 BEAT RUSH CLOVIS
Anakin Throws Rush Clovis Away from Padme Amidala in Star Wars The Clone Wars Even as Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader found his anger getting the best of him. Often when this would happen, he would lash out, either by Force pushing or Force choking someone who refused to cooperate with him. However, there is one example of this in The Clone Wars (2008) television show that stands out for its particular emotional cruelty. Rush Clovis is an old flame of Padmé Amidala's who comes back into her life after she is secretly married to Anakin. When Clovis tries to kiss Amidala and Anakin sees, he throws Clovis, choking him using the Force, and beating him with his fists - all the while, Padmé begs him to stop. This is not only violence; it is domestic abuse that is rooted in jealousy and paranoia. Padmé later tells Anakin that he attacked Clovis because he did not trust Padmé and felt that he had to police her behavior.
13 SQUASHED THE FREE RYLOTH MOVEMENT
Darth Sidious and Darth Vader on Ryloth The Galactic Empire did not take kindly to rebellion or planets who resisted their rule. One example of this violent dominance is Vader's attack on the Twi'leks on Ryloth. When the "Free Ryloth" movement damaged the Star Destroyer Perilous, which had Darth Sidious and Darth Vader aboard, the Sith were ruthless in their retaliation. In response to this attack, the Sith Lords landed on the planet of Ryloth and attacked the Twi'lek forces. The Sith wanted to make sure that the seeds of rebellion would be stamped out. Vader not only killed the leaders of the "Free Ryloth" movement, but also the prisoners that were taken. The Sith also encountered a young Twi'lek girl named Drua and tricked her into leading them back to her village. There, Vader slaughtered a whole village of Twi'lek, who were all former Imperial slaves. There were no survivors, and the message was clear: cross the Galactic Empire, and you will be shown no mercy.
12 THE BATTLE OF SCARIF
Darth Vader Final Scene from Rogue One A Star Wars Story In what may have been the most talked about scene in Rogue One (2016), Darth Vader attacks the Rebel forces who have just stolen the Death Star plans from the planet of Scarif. The scene is in many ways reminiscient of a horror movie: the Rebel troops wait silently, shaking as they point their guns down the darkened hall. Darth Vader's breathing is heard ominously before he is even visible, and then he appears, ignited by the red glow of his lightsaber. Using a combination of the Force, his saber, and brute strength, Vader takes on the whole group of Rebel troopers... and he makes it look easy.
While this act of violence is surely one of many that Darth Vader committed, director Gareth Edwards truly captures the terrorizing and overwhelming power of the Sith Lord. Vader was capable of taking on whole military units by himself, and showed no hesitation in dominating his opponents.
11 USED THE FORCE TO PILOT CYLO'S SHIP INTO A STAR
Cylo, the cybernectically enhanced scientist who serves as one of Darth Vader's major rivals in the Darth Vader Marvel comics, is killed multiple times by the Sith Lord. Cylo uses cloning technology to preserve his consciousness over multiple bodies; when one is killed, the next would be activated, coming to life in its place. When Vader attacks Cylo's cloning facility, he ends up killing multiple copies of the cyborg in quick succession. In another particularly gruesome instance, Vader uses the Force to take control of Cylo's whale-ship. Darth Vader is able to overpower the will of the creature and forces it to fly directly into a star while Cylo is still inside it. Cylo is not able to control his cybernetic animal, and so he can only watch from the bridge as he careens into a sun. Vader looks on as the ship-animal and its owner fly to their death.
10 ASSASSINATED THE ROYAL FAMILY OF SHU-TORAN
On the planet Shu-Toran, the King plotted to kill Darth Vader; when Vader learned of this plan, he had the King and his two eldest children, Prince Monthan and Princess Hollian, killed by his two assassin droids, 0-0-0 (or Triple Zero) and BT-1. Vader, however, kept the youngest child, Princess Trios alive. He chopped off her hand when she tried to kill him with a blaster. This was no act of mercy. Instead, Vader decided to let the girl live so that he would have a pawn who could rule the planet for the Empire.
Darth Vader demanded absolute loyalty from the newly crowned queen of Shu-Toran. Vader, with a certain flair for the dramatic, gave Queen Trios a parting gift: a piece of rubble from the planet Alderaan. He warned her that planets who resist Imperial rule were destroyed, and left the young woman to mourn her dead brother, sister, and father.
9 KILLED HIS OWN TROOPS
For Darth Vader, failure was not an option. The Sith Lord did not allow for insubordination, questions, or defeat. Displeasing Darth Vader was often and death sentence, and Vader killed people often enough that he garnered a reputation among Imperial forces. One such example is the execution of Admiral Kendal Ozzel. Ozzel was in command of the Super Star Destroyer Executor, Darth Vader's personal flag ship. At the Battle of Hoth, Ozzel jumped the fleet too close to the planet, which alerted the Rebel forces to the Imperial invasion. Ozzel was "relieved of command" by Vader and replaced by Admiral Firmus Piett, who commanded the Executor until its destruction at the Battle of Endor.
Another unlucky Imperial, Captain Lorth Needa, went to apologize personally to Darth Vader after losing sight of the Millennium Falcon at the Battle of Hoth. With a cruel sense of humor, Darth Vader choked him to death using the Force while quipping, "Apology accepted, Captain Needa."
8 ...INCLUDING TWISTING A STORMTROOPER'S HEAD AROUND 180 DEGREES
Darth Vader Kills a Stormtrooper Not only would Darth Vader kill his officers for severely disappointing him or making grave mistakes, he would also kill people for small inconveniences. In one instance in the Darth Vader comics, a stormtrooper interrupts Vader while he is not wearing his helmet. Darth Vader considers this a serious enough offense that he uses the Force to turn the stormtroopers head around, breaking his neck and killing him instantly. The method for this execution is cruel and the mangled outcome is grotesque. However, perhaps the most disturbing thing of all is that the "crime" that the stormtrooper commits is insignificant at best.
Of course, this is clearly a power tactic that Vader uses to perpetuate fear and awe. However, it almost seems like a miracle that any Imperial troop could stay alive around Darth Vader for an extended period of time, as the most minor offense could lead to a sudden and deadly execution.
7 TORTURED HAN, LEIA, AND CHEWIE
Darth Vader with Princess Leia in the torture room in Star Wars A New Hope In A New Hope (1977), Darth Vader tortures Princess Leia in order to find the hidden location of the Rebel base. While this proves to be unsuccessful, it helps to solidify Darth Vader's evil in the first film: he is willing to use torture to get what he wants. The Darth Vader Marvel comic books back up this "first impression". In the comics, Vader has two torture droids 0-0-0 (Triple Zero) and BT-1 who kill, maim, and torture on his command.
In The Empire Strikes Back (1980), Darth Vader uses torture again, but this time in a stranger and arguably more disturbing way. He subjects his prisoners, Princess Leia, Han Solo, and Chewbacca, to instruments of torture on Cloud City, but he does not interrogate them. This is because he is not trying to learn new information, but instead he is trying to send a message, through the Force, to Luke Skywalker. By torturing Luke's friends, Vader hopes to lure Luke into a trap. He is willing to have Luke's friends suffer in order to use them as bait.
6 FORCE CHOKED HIS WIFE, PADMÉ AMIDALA
Anakin Skywalker Chokes Padme Amidala on Mustafar While Darth Vader's temper and violence often went hand-in-hand, there is one incredibly disturbing moment in Revenge of the Sith where he takes out his rage on his pregnant wife, Senator Padmé Amidala. In a film that has its fair share of violence, this single moment stands out. After all, Vader seems to use his love for Padmé as a shield as he descends into the dark side of the Force. It's because of her and the fear of losing her that he needs power. However, in this pivotal moment, it becomes clear that Darth Vader is fuelled by jealousy, anger, and a lust for power. He is willing to hurt or kill anyone who stands in his way, even the woman that he loves and the child(ren) that she carries. This is perhaps Darth Vader's most disturbing betrayal of all, and reveals him to be the hypocrite that he is.
5 EVISCERATED REBEL FORCES IN "VADER DOWN"
Star Wars 1 Vader Down Between A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back, Darth Vader learns that Luke Skywalker, the young pilot who is responsible for the destruction of the Death Star, is his son. In Vader Down, Darth Vader takes on the Rebel forces on the planet Vrogas Vos while trying to track Luke down. Single-handedly, Vader destroys Blue, Yellow, and Gray Squadrons - each squadron is made up of 32 pilots, so Vader destroys almost 100 Rebel ships! He also fights members of Cyan Squadron, a tank, and multiple platoons of Rebel forces, which based on the comic panels appear to number in the hundreds. To put it simply, Vader is an unstoppable killing machine.
Vader Down illustrates Darth Vader's raw power, and his ability to destroy anything and anyone that gets in the way of his objectives. As a comic, it captures a larger scope of destruction than any Star Wars film.
4 BETRAYED MACE WINDU AND OBI-WAN KENOBI
Star Wars A New Hope Obi-Wan Kenobi Darth Vader Dual Phase Lightsaber When Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader, he betrayed the Jedi Order and condemned the Jedi to death. Some of these deaths Vader carried out personally, while others he condoned or helped to execute. But perhaps the two most disturbing betrayals are personal ones. First, moments before Darth Sidious proclaimed that Anakin Skywalker had become Darth Vader, Anakin cut off Mace Windu's hand, betraying him. In turn, Sidious killed Jedi Master Windu, a man who had known Anakin since he was a boy and had helped to raise him. Mace Windu had saved Anakin's life countless times in the Clone Wars.
Worse still, Anakin also betrayed his Jedi master and mentor, Obi-Wan Kenobi. After leaving Tatooine, Obi-Wan served as Anakin's parental figure, older brother, and fiercest defender. After attempting to kill Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar in Revenge of the Sith, Darth Vader later squares off with his old master in A New Hope. He does not hesitate when given the opportunity to strike Obi-Wan down.
3 SLAUGHTERED THE TUSKEN RAIDERS
In The Attack of the Clones, Darth Vader's mother, Shmi Skywalker, is kidnapped by Tusken Raiders; she dies from injuries that she has sustained while being held hostage. Upon discovering this, her son, Anakin, is furious. In response, he kills all of the Tusken Raiders: men, women, and children. It's a violent massacre that is fuelled by his desire for revenge. Not only is it against the code of the Jedi, but it is also a brutal loss of life. Afterwards, he is haunted by his rage and confesses what he has done to his wife.
In the Darth Vader comics, the Sith Lord still carries a grudge against Tusken Raiders. While on Tatooine to conduct business with Boba Fett, Darth Vader kills another village of Tusken Raiders, even though they have no affiliation with the kidnapping or death of his mother. The Raiders fear Vader and build a shrine to him, as they believe he is some sort of vengeful god.
2 PUSHED DR. APHRA OUT THE AIR LOCK
Darth Vader Pushes Dr Aphra Out of the Airlock Dr. Chelli Aphra is an archaeologist who worked for Darth Vader during the reign of the Galactic Empire. When Dr. Aphra began working for Vader, she had no illusions about the Sith Lord, knowing that he would kill her as soon as she was no longer useful to him. She told him that when he killed her, however, that he should do it with his lightsaber, and not by ejecting her into space (a fate that she had always had nightmares about).
When Vader discovered that Dr. Aphra had betrayed her and had been dealing with the Emperor behind his back, he decided that it was time to end her life. Knowing her deepest fear, he ejected his servant into the cold abyss as she begged him not to.
Of course, as it turns out, this was all part of a plan on Aphra's part. She knew that he would only let her go if he believed she was dead, and that he would only believe she was dead if he killed her himself, and so she had devised this scheme all along. She planted the idea in the Sith Lord's head and had her associates pick her up in space.
1 KILLED THE YOUNGLINGS
Anakin Skywalker prepares to kill younglings in Star Wars Revenge of the Sith During Order 66 (the command from Emperor Palpatine to destroy all Jedi), Anakin Skywalker commits an atrocity that truly solidifies him as the Sith apprentice, Darth Vader. At the command of Darth Sidious, the newly christened Darth Vader goes to the Jedi Temple and kills everyone he can find. As it turns out, "everyone" includes the "younglings", the children who lived in the temple and studied to be Jedi.
One of the younglings, recognizing Anakin as a Jedi Master, goes to him and says, "Master Skywalker. There are too many of them. What are we going to do?" Anakin remains emotionless and he ignites his lightsaber before the scene cuts away.
While the actual killing is not shown, this scene is one of the major reasons that Revenge of the Sith was the first Star Wars to be rated PG-13. It was too disturbing for the typical PG rating, and helped audiences understand just how twisted a character Darth Vader was.
Here's an article on torture in the Star Wars setting.
Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader is no small part of it and here are the bits and pieces concerning details of what he did.
Many members of the order of the Sith utilized torture as a tool; notable examples included Darth Malak, Darth Zannah, Darth Sidious and his apprentice Darth Vader, Vergere, Darth Caedus and his apprentice Tahiri Veila, Darth Krayt, Darth Maladi and Darth Havok. Sith were also known for torturing Jedi with physical agony to try and corrupt captive Jedi to the dark side of the Force.
After Galen Marek became Darth Vader's secret apprentice, his new master spent years personally training Starkiller (the codename Galen now went by), in the ways of the Sith. Starkiller's training was harsh and unforgiving: Vader subjected the boy to rigorous physical tests bordering on torture.
"I've heard whispers about these droids — torture devices invented by twisted Imperial minds. It is said that they can deliver unimaginable pain. Pain so intense that it has never been experienced before — worse than pain from any disease or wound known in the universe."
―Princess Leia Organa, prior to her first encounter with an IT-O Interrogator
Darth Vader tortured Princess Leia Organa with an IT-O
Interrogation droids were used almost exclusively by the Galactic Empire and other tyrannical governments. Many of the sadistic tendencies shared by Imperial Inquisitors and ISB agents were programmed into the droids, and as a result, Imperial torture droids tended to have decidedly sadistic temperaments.
In 0 BBY, while a captive aboard the first Death Star, Princess Leia was tortured by Darth Vader in order to learn the location of the hidden Rebel base. Leia was introduced to an IT-O torture droid, and pain was inflicted through needles, pressure points, fire-knives and electro-shocks. Vader also employed mind-altering drugs and subliminal suggestion in his sessions with the Princess, which made Leia believe that her skin was on fire and her flesh being torn apart, causing the same reaction the real thing would. Leia maintained her resistance, even when she was near dying from the pain. It was only under threat of destroying Leia's homeworld of Alderaan by Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin did Leia relent, and expose the location of the decoy rebel base on Dantooine. Tarkin then obliterated Alderaan anyway, saying that Dantooine was far too remote for an effective demonstration of the Death Star's power.
Darth Vader tortured Thurlow Harris to extract the name of the pilot who destroyed the Death Star.
The droid was also equipped with a vocabulator producing speech; this had seldom been required, as the devices dotting the black sphere spoke for themselves. The droid was still perfectly capable of interrogating a prisoner on its own, speaking in a flat, emotionless monotone. When working with a living, organic assistant, the droid would often keep quiet, allowing the victim to hate and fear the droid, while seeing its living companion as a source of potential mercy.
"One can do some interesting things with a saber, you know. I'll do my best to show you all of them if you'll cooperate by not passing out."
―Darth Vader to Princess Leia, on Mimban
"I didn't think such pain existed. In any universe."
―Princess Leia, after being tortured by Darth Vader on the Death Star
When Princess Leia Organa was forced to fight Darth Vader on Mimban during the Galactic Civil War, Vader toyed with her, repeatedly slashing her skin with his lightsaber, leaving several black scorch marks on her body.
"For every insult, you will scream a dozen times."
―Darth Vader, threatening Han Solo
Darth Vader tortured Han Solo as a means of luring Luke Skywalker.
"Well, Calrissian? Did he survive?"
"Yes, he's alive...and in perfect hibernation."
―Darth Vader and Lando Calrissian, after Han Solo is frozen in carbonite
Carbonite was a metal alloy that was mixed with Tibanna gas, compressed, and flash-frozen, encasing materials for transport in an incredibly strong metal alloy. The freezing of living subjects in carbonite was used as a form of torture; the process was excruciating, and the victim was placed in a form of stasis hibernation, while still experiencing a form of consciousness.
When Princess Leia was tortured by Vader in order to learn the location of the hidden Rebel base, she was injected with mind-altering drugs that made her very susceptible to suggestion. Using his own psychic powers, Vader made her believe that she was in unbearable pain—that her skin was on fire and her flesh being torn apart.
Three years after the Battle of Yavin, Darth Vader again tortured Leia Organa, as well as Han Solo and Chewbacca, on Cloud City. While the torture was not augmented by the Force, Vader knew that their anguish would reach Luke Skywalker through the Force and draw him to Bespin where he could be captured and delivered to Emperor Palpatine. Han was subjected to the scan grid, Chewie to sonic torture and searing lights. Leia, like Han, went through an ordeal with a torture machine, though the details are unknown.
The scan grid was a rack-like device originally designed to analyze metals, gathering data by emitting electrical charges. When Han Solo was tortured by Darth Vader at Bespin, Vader utilized Cloud City scan grid which had been heavily modified with additional tools designed for torture, including microsurgical vibroscalpels, an electroshock assembly, diagnostic scanners and chemical injectors. The scanners would anticipate loss of consciousness while the chemical injectors kept the victim awake, forcing Han to endure every measure of pain without passing out.
According to Director of Imperial Intelligence Ysanne Isard, Vader created the design himself.
Wookiee Chewbacca was subjected to sonic torture and searing lights after being captured by Darth Vader on Bespin in 3 ABY.
Immediately after the capture of Archduke Poggle the Lesser during the Clone Wars, Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker learned that a supply ship carrying Padawans Ahsoka Tano and Barriss Offee had been taken over by brain worm-infested clone troopers. Skywalker attempted to use a mind trick on the Archduke to make him talk, but Poggle informed him that mind tricks wouldn't work on Geonosians. An angry Skywalker told Poggle that he didn't need mind tricks to make him cooperate, and used the Force to choke and levitate Poggle until he finally explained that the brain worms were vulnerable to cold temperatures. Skywalker's fellow Jedi were curious as to how Skywalker had managed to get Poggle to cooperate, but he didn't elaborate.
Around 18 BBY, Skywalker, who had now become the Sith Lord Darth Vader, embarked on a mission to Vohai, in search of new cloning technologies. On Vohai, Vader was attacked by the Emperor's Hand Sa Cuis, who was easily overpowered by the Dark Lord. Vader then tortured Cuis via Force choke, bringing him to the brink of death again and again, in an attempt to force Cuis to reveal who sent him. He was subsequently killed by Darth Vader when he refused to reveal his employer.
When the Rebel mathematician Jorin Sol was betrayed by the Jabiimi resistance fighter Tal Hesz, he was taken into Imperial custody, and tortured personally by Darth Vader. After giving Vader the logarithms used for rendezvous points of the Rebel fleet, he was taken to the Imperial base on Kalist VI, and tortured by the Imperial Intelligence Lieutenant Zuud. When Jorin was finally rescued, he had been brainwashed and given a special mission: "Destroy the Rebellion from the inside."
Common facial damages of torture, shown in Padawan Dama Montalvo, after an interrogation session with Darth Vader - Burns, cuts, puncture wounds, gouges and bruises were common effects of torture. Eyes glued shut, a black eye or two, split lips, swollen eyes, a broken nose and swollen lips were common facial injuries. More serious effects included disfigurement, broken bones, broken teeth, calcification of the skeleton, an elongated spine (from the rack), permanent brain damage, loss of limbs, and loss of one or more appendages and outer organs, like eyes or ears.
Prior to the Battle of Endor, the Rebel Alliance hero Tay Vanis was captured and tortured by Darth Vader, who left him a mindless shell of a man. After Vanis was found by his fellow Rebels, his droid LE-914 ("Ellie") destroyed both herself and her master, as an act of mercy killing.
After the fall of the Galactic Republic, Jedi Knight Halagad Ventor was captured by the Empire, and tortured by Darth Vader himself. As Vader broke down Ventor's mental shields, Ventor told him everything he wanted to know, and was consumed by the dark side.
Torture has been a part of Star Wars from the very beginning. In the rough draft of Star Wars: Episode IV A New Hope, Darth Vader tortures Princess Leia with powerful electroshocks. In the incarnation of the second draft of A New Hope, Leia is replaced by Deak Starkiller, brother of Luke Starkiller, who would become Luke Skywalker in later drafts. When the heroes find him inside his cell, there's a strange yellow glow in his eyes. In the third draft, Vader steps into Leia's cell, the door slams shut and "her screams can barely be heard." The IT-O torture droid didn't appear until the fourth draft.
In the movie, the door to Leia's cell slams shut before the viewer gets see what actually happens to Leia. In the Star Wars radio drama, the interrogation session was vividly depicted in a psychologically intense scene which was so chilling that it prompted some complaints from a concerned listener.
For Star Wars: Episode V The Empire Strikes Back, director Irvin Kershner originally filmed more shots of Han Solo being tortured, which showed the machine in operation with spikes and needles and electronic things going, and flashes of electricity everywhere. It was cut because the filmmakers were afraid that this would be too intense for children. Some of Han's screaming off-screen was also taken out for the same reason. According to the director, everyone felt that the cut material was too much for a film of this type.
What gets me about Vader's redemption...
What gets me about Vader's redemption...
...is that it's too little, too late. As a kid, watching RotJ I was always joyous that Darth Vader turned back into Anakin Skywalker. When I watch it now, I think of the children he slaughtered in the Temple, and the billions of people on Alderaan, and whatever horrors he committed in the EU (haven't read many EU novels yet), and while I still think he did a good deed murdering the Emperor, I personally don't think it's enough to fully redeem him and I doubt he thinks so either. It's tragic. He wants to be the Chosen One he was always told he would, but he really messed up.
Vader's "redemption" is a little twisted...
Vader's "redemption" is a little twisted...
This came to my mind after seeing those "Vader going on a massacre" comments on Rogue One related posts.
I don't know if Lucas thought that in episode III Anakin/Vader would go on a rampage, kill and betray all his fellow Jedi, but also murder a bunch of kids who are under ten! Oh yeah what about Padmé? She was pregnant, and he was sorta in love with her, and married to her...
Then in episode IV-VI, he maybe becomes torn between light and dark, but still oversees the completion of two planet destroying weapons. Imagine if earth were blown to bits. Seven billion people. And even if it were just Alderaan blown up, we should assume that's a lot of dead people.
I forgot to mention, he also killed his own officers when he got mad, and founded a power-mad, micro-managing, destructive empire.
Then by sacrificing himself to kill the Emperor, he is totally redeemed and made into a shiny ghost and put on the same level as Obi Wan and Yoda. Plus, sensible, admirable Jedi like Qui Gon, Mace Windu, and countless others were marginalized.
Am I the only one who is maybe seeing a problem here?
Am I the only one who thinks that maybe, kids thinking this dude is awesome is maybe a tiny bit creepy?
Please share your thoughts below, I am genuinely interested in your thoughts.
Luke shouldn't have tried to redeem Darth Vader
Luke shouldn't have tried to redeem Darth Vader and it was a bad plot point in Return of the Jedi.
Luke trying to redeem Vader was a dumb plot. I'm sorry. I know it's really famous and well loved in Star Wars fanon, but it makes no hamgod damn sense.
When has Vader ever showed literally any doubt or hesitation before ROTJ? Never.
Why is Vader so special that he should be given mercy, but Luke Skywalker cuts through Stormtroopers and mercenaries without a second thought?
Let’s be honest here.
Let’s be honest here.
Darth Vader didn’t redeem himself and he didn’t change. He didn’t kill the emperor because of his fascism or to prevent a genocide. He did it because he liked his son a bit more than Palpatine. He did it to preserve his family line. He was being selfish.
2:30 PM - 6 Mar 2019
If Vader lived he’d have pulled a Kylo and taken over the Empire himself, and he would’ve tried to recruit Luke again as his Palawan. JUST LIKE HE SAID HE WOULD IN EPISODE V.
And, of course, just like Kylo did with Rey. His offer of an alliance was not out of decency. It was out of pragmatism. She’s powerful. She can end the resistance. Siding with Rey is a smart play. It’s not an act of redemption.
He got that from Vader.
One of the things I liked about THE LAST JEDI is it takes the cyclical approach from THE FORCE AWAKENS and then skips ahead. It goes from EMPIRE to JEDI, and then puts the characters in a position without precedent in the series. Now, it’s what would’ve happened if Vader lived.
And I am very curious what will happen next, now that the future is unwritten. And I’m grateful that after decades of fawning over the past, and losing sight of details like VADER IS A MONSTER AND DID NOT REDEEM HIMSELF, we are finally taking Star Wars in a new direction.
There might be some good in him, but “he committed genocide and slaughtered children by hand and ushered in an oppressive fascist regime that’s responsible for incalculable suffering and death, but there’s a part of him that’s not so bad” still isn’t much of a defense.
And I am unconvinced that his soul is saved after just one brief moment of quasi-decency. He saved his son after really thinking hard about it. He slaughtered billions and didn’t give a damn. He says he’s a good guy but maybe he just wanted his son to like him.
I honestly think Jedi is less about Vader’s redemption and WAY more about Luke learning from his father’s mistakes and resisting the temptation to go down the same road. That Luke can forgive Vader makes Luke a hero. It doesn’t actually mean Vader is a good person at heart.
Replying to @WilliamBibbiani
Completely agree. Most prequelists who believe the saga is Anakin’s story more than Luke will disagree. But Luke is the chosen one, he refused the dark side. Vader didn’t. I really wish Rian Johnson was doing Episode IX, because I don’t trust JJ to do anything besides redemption
10 Things We (Still) Kinda Hate About The Phantom Menace
By Wook Kim Feb. 10, 2012
Young Anakin Skywalker
Anakin Skywalker Everett Collection In retrospect, it was probably not a good idea to give lines both tin-eared (“Mom, you said the biggest problem in the universe is no one helps each other”) and grating (“Yipppeeee!”) to a young actor who delivered his lines with an energy level more suited for a family sitcom. (Which is by no means a knock on young Jake Lloyd — he gave the performance that Lucas clearly wanted.) Oh, and the idea that this annoying moppet built and designed C-3PO? Puh-leeeze.
WHAT OTHERS SAID:
“… The Phantom Menace, the first of a projected prequel trilogy, introduces the 9-year-old Anakin Skywalker… who will grow up to be Vader. … Based on what we see here, it doesn’t seem like such an ineffable mystery that this kid will end up a wheezing, intergalactic power-mongering control freak. A slave boy who already fashions himself a Jedi knight, Anakin is a precocious brat — the kind of kid who, in our own galaxy, might commandeer a playground and run everybody else off the jungle gym.”
— Peter Rainer, New York, May 24, 1999
10 Most Annoying Star Wars Characters Ever
BY ANDREW DYCE – ON OCT 17, 2015
3 ANAKIN SKYWALKER
The entirety of the blame has to lay on the shoulders of George Lucas, and whatever other writers he turned to for assistance in crafting the character's arc. Going by the original films, Anakin was a proud, incredibly powerful warrior who was turned to the Dark Side by tragedy. In other words, a fairly standard story of a tragic hero's fall from grace (and eventual redemption).
As we now know, that's not what fans got. Instead - and we're still baffled by the decision - Lucas created a character who was so clearly power-hungry, petulant, single-minded, self-centred and fascist-leaning, it's safe to say audiences were shown that Anakin was always going to go bad. In all honesty, nobody has to make a case for Anakin being an annoyance as a child, teenager and adult(?).
Bad acting, bad writing, emotional outburst and not just following good advice are bad enough. Knowing how it forever altered the Star Wars legacy annoys us to our core.