When monkeys get mad, they melt down massively!
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"It's Lady's job to say which ones should die and NAME them,but I'm merely complaining, not pointing fingers.
👩💻Indy: Oh? is she some sort of net goddess who decides who lives and who dies on the net? Is this...Lady...going to nuke everyone who ever wrote a character she and her followers dislike? Or is this just a poor attempt at net-policing? Have you and your...friend...Lady...thought of creating your own little fantasy world where you can shut yourselves out from all you dislike and write your own way? It's very easy to do if you know how to create a mailing list, and set it to not excepting new members...Problem solved...No original characters to cramp your uh, style...
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"All Mary Sues have traumatic childhoods or no recollection of their childhood.
👩💻Indy: Just like many other fantasy characters, original or otherwise... So what?
🧝♀️Ocean Elf: MarthaMay Whovier from the 2003 Grinch movie, without her, there wouldn't have been this whole rivalry backstory between the Grinch and the town's mayor. Since she and the mayor were created for the movie to insert a love triangle involving the Grinch, that makes her a Mary Sue. She has no tragic background. She's just a girl being fought over by the main character and a Gary Stu rival. So there is recall of childhood, but the Sues had it easy during theirs. It was the main canon character who didn't.
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"This means that the author doesn't want to bother with it or has writer's block.
👩💻Indy: Ohhhhhhh.terrible! How very terrible! What a crime!!! how dare they get writers' block or not want to write 13 chapters on the formative years of a character? Shameful, shameful! Tsk...tsk...tsk...tsk... My goodness, that's the absolute end!!!
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"There are three types of Mary Sues. They vary in name, look, rank, and occupation, but they all have the same personality.
👩💻Indy: WRONG...You contradict that statement big time in your descriptions of the three types of mary Sue's. You are wrong about the number as well, there are a heck of a lot more than three types of Mary Sues. You are among them and the worst offender...
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"Mary Sue dies in the arms of one true love
👩💻Indy: That's a common situation in ancient or classic literature.
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"or she marries them.
👩💻Indy: Another classic lit situation, and an improvement to the first if it's a classic romance. I'm not much for romance stories...
🧝♀️Ocean Elf: 1. Dies in arms. 2. Marries. 3. Most common and importantly - she just gets to sleep with a canon character or at least tries. 4. She is written in as related to some canon character. 5. She ends up becoming a main focus in a story.
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"Her one true love ends up killing the person they were originally paired with in the series.
👩💻Indy: Lover kills first girlfriend to be with Mary Sue? Gosh, that certainly isn't very civilized. Or is it, lover kills Mary Sue's first boyfriend? Still not civilized. Sounds just like something you'd do...
🧝♀️Ocean Elf: If there is an actual romance in the canon story/series, and some fanfiction is written where the canon character kills his canon love interest for a fan-made girl, that is particularly odious character butchery for the sake of a jealous fangirl's crush.
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"Usually. Or they become best friends with the person that their one true love was paired with in the series.
👩💻Indy: They become buddies with their lover's first girlfriend? Hmmmm. Again, sounds like something you'd do...
🧝♀️Ocean Elf: Senna and Lady Une sitting in a tree. Haha! Yep, she just outed herself as a Sue by being best buds with Lady Une.
Apart from her situation, however, other Sues might try this as a form of rivalry disguised as friendship in a bid for the Sue to get to her canon character crush in a roundabout way.
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"But I'm getting away with myself. Mary Sue, Type 1: Everyone loves this Mary Sue. She has looks, brains, and a sweet disposition.
👩💻Indy: Would it be better if she was as ugly as a slug with the disposition of a torked off hornet? Well that would certainly make things interesting anyway.
🧝♀️Ocean Elf: There are sues with terrible dispositions. Ever heard of angst? Sues are really good at that.
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"People can't stop killing themselves over her. They also can't seem to stop saving her from imminent danger. She tends to be an engineer, a scientist, or a doctor. A non- threatening, helpful job.
👩💻Indy: Hey, at least she's got a useful vocation. That is well accepted for women these days, after all. Maybe you're the type who believes in women being barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen, hmm? Unless of course it's your...lady...friend...Une... She just gets to be a professional slapper, thug, whatever...And if this Mary Sue 1 as you call her, didn't have a nice disposition I doubt anyone would want to help her out of any danger. or is it that you would rather she got out of it herself? Yes, I agree. A woman does not need powerful men to get her out of scrapes. Well, if you don't want people making assumptions about you, be careful how and where you rant.
🧝♀️Ocean Elf: Child Mary Sues are most likely to fit that description, except for the job part, though depending on which world or time period where the story is set, the child Mary Sue may have a non-threatening job... Or a threatening one if she is being raised in a very militaristic society.
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"When the hero wakes up, she's nearby, cooking soup, pulling out bandages, or by the bed, wiping the sweat off their tired brow. She is of course, flawless.
👩💻Indy: So she shows some kindness. Is that a sin now too? Does *that* make her flawless? Of course not. Doiiiiiiiiiiii! And I noticed your fascination with human life being near or in a bed. Is that what this is all about? Knowing hormonal you, definitely!
🧝♀️Ocean Elf: That is sadly what it is about for the most part with Sue stories.
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"Mary Sue, Type 2: She's beautiful. She's powerful. She's got the looks, the pretty face, the intelligence to blow someone off their butt,
👩💻Indy: dang! How awful! A woman with power and intelligence! *Sarcasm full blast* Oooh, right, that's a sin if it's any other women but you Lady Senna Une Maxwell Khu-whatever, I don't even know where Lady Une leaves off and you begin. Personally IMO far too much attention goes to looks, I'm tired of the Barbie doll supermodel thing myself. See how weak this rant is? You're creaming yourself trying to expound on your hatred and you come off looking like a complete idiot!
🧝♀️Ocean Elf: The Mary Sue that is designed to steal every canon character's thunder and leave them awestruck and breathless. It's just a slightly different angle to an end goal, to get with some canon character crush or a few, at once.
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"and she's P-E-R-F-E-C-T!
👩💻Indy: Wrong! A character that does the following is far from perfect. Gold-digging hussy comes to mind with this description.
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"She also can't seem to stop sleeping with people, discarding romances, breaking people up with no concern or feeling, and starting foundations in the memory of their long, lost, *dead* love.
👩💻Indy: What love? This personality type isn't capable of love. The perfect example of a sleazy and manipulative spoiled brat, definitely, but otherwise not perfect. Dangerous, prone to mess up the lives of those around her. Like in that Phil Collins song "invisible Touch" The exact opposite of the first Mary Sue type you describe. So there is a contrast, yet you claim they all have the same personality. you also claim they all die or marry their lover, yet you describe this second Mary Sue as a person completely devoid of all love and conscience. So, which is it? Do *all* Mary Sues have the *same* personality or not?
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"This Mary Sue also believes that all the guys in the world are straight. No man that's attractive in the girl's life is gay.
👩💻Indy: So? Not everyone necessarily meets a gay in their lifetime. Not everybody writes gays into everything. It isn't against the law to write stories without gays in them. Big fat hairy deal. Get over it.
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"They also can't keep their hands off her. They never have girlfriends and are always, always, always available JUST FOR HER. She also tends to break up life long friendships because she's just soooo beautiful that everyone has to have her. Mary Sue, Type 2 also tends to be best friends with the people that would, in any normal situation kill her.
👩💻Indy: As I said, this profile sounds like the most imperfect, biggest brat ever and cannot fall into the Mary Sue category if what you said about Mary Sue's in general in the above before M'S'1's description is to hold any weight. This girl falls into the hellchild category along with you!
(Revision here: She does in fact, fall into the Mary Sue category, she's a Mary Sue of Mary Sues. The Senna Marie, to be exact. Or if she's under age, the Lavender, after a particularly evil child Mary Sue in an altogether unrelated fanbase.)
🧝♀️Ocean Elf: This Mary sue is not as smart as she is manipulative, and she is power-hungry.
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"Mary Sue, Type 3: HELP!!!!! Damsel in distress, big time here. Mary Sue Type 1 can save herself from most situations, the bigger ones require help. Mary Sue Type 3 cries when she breaks a nail. She cries if she's pregnant, or if she's not. She weeps if the test has two blue lines and she can't decipher which one means yes or no. She bawls when the drug store closes on Sunday. She blubbers when her true love has to go out of town for a few days on business. Type 3 is a Cinderella story. She is very talented and beautiful but doesn't know it. She meets a sexy, influential man who helps her with her problems and makes her realize how special she really, really is. No one knows why. Or she gets adopted by extremely wealthy, powerful people with connections. Once again, no one knows why. They just do it. For no reason. Scary.
👩💻Indy: So? you got a problem with the klinically depressed getting help from other people? Would you rather she died in the gutter with condoms and needles all around her, lying in a pool of blood because no one bothered?? Oh, but this is you, of course you would... And again with the pregnancy thing. You sure have a preoccupation with sex.
I'll agree that the getting into a rich family scenario does get tiring. I'd like to see more of these cases getting into middle-class families where they can learn to stand on their own and gro stronger in personality, without the risk of becoming pampered or mobbed rich celebrities.
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"My Favorite Mary Sue Story Excerpts... Removed in fear of authors. Especially Lerena...I quiver to cogitate of what she'd do if she found that *beautiful* excerpt about
👩💻Indy: 'Cogitate'? The rest of that is bull designed to make you look like a victim. You are nothing but a simpering wuss with no backbone and no conscience, just like every other bad critic.
And who's crying over spilled milk now, eh? Quivering indeed. Toughen up. It's not like anybody is going to send a boogeyman after you and finish you off in the middle of the night because you didn't like something they wrote. But then again if you're assuming every other writer/rpger has the same penchant for delivering death threats as you and your...friend...Une...I suppose that explains your rather...paranoied tendencies.
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"Lady Une slapping (Lerena...ooooohhhhh, special. I love it when Lady Une slaps anyone...
👩💻Indy: Whether they deserve it or not, I suppose. you just like your...Une...to go slapping other characters around...How utterly charming...She sounds a lot like your Mary Sue 2 personality and deserves to be taken over someone else's knee herself if she has nothing better to do than slapping other characters around senselessly. I know of some characters who would take her down several notches and put her in her place but good before she knew what hit her. And you can include me among them. I'd love nothing better than to tear her limb from limb right before your eyes, then have you for dessert.
And by the by, how is her name pronounced anyway. 'Yoony'? 'Yunny'? 'Unny'? 'Yunn'? 'Yune'? or just 'Oon'? Lol. Your stupid anime isn't exactly known for pronouncing things correctly. Treize gets called "Trays" and the proper way to say it is "Trezz." Since Une the feminine version of 'one' in French, 'Oon' comes about as close to it as possible. She's supposed to be number 1 - please...if she's anything in the series like the nasty impression I'm getting just from you, calling her number 1 is a joke!
So, consider this. if thirteen is so often considered unlucky, Treize would definitely be that, getting stiffed with your precious...(hehehehehehe)...Lady...Une. You know, if I thought there was anything likable about this, er, Lady...(snicker) Une…Next to the characters in MLP, it's the dumbest name I've ever heard for a character.
🧝♀️Ocean Elf: And The Hunger Games. Peeta? Why not make a character called Nambla as well?
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"anyway, Lerena's entitled to her opinion and I respect her right to have an opinion, plus she's older and probably wiser than me too.
👩💻Indy: Liar!You know nothing about respect, you don't believe she's got a right to her own opinion or even a right to life. You don't believe she's wiser than you, and your harassment of her makes you a liar, a hypocrite, and a coward.
So why the turn-around? First you say she should die, then you say she's got a right to her opinion, so, which is it? Or are you just weaseling out of the death threat you eluded to with your...Une...thang...earlier? (Rivision: Lerena is older than Senna, yes...Wiser? NOOOOOOOO! Not by a long shot! Those two have so much in common with their raging hormones, the hots for cartoon characters, and their stupid jealousies over them, and both are obsessively hateful. I learned that bit by bit as the flame war went on.)
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"I just think that Treize and Lady Une
👩💻Indy: If she can actually be called a...lady...What with all the slapping you'd have her do, I'd call her a shrew..
😡🙉👿MTJ: 🗯"are "soul mates"...but enough cheesiness......
👩💻Indy: Soulmates? 🙄 That's cheesy off the charts! Stinky cheese too. I mean, who believes this soulmate crap? I can't imagine anybody wanting to be committed to that predator! Oh, but Treize is just as bad as Une, so yeah, they make a fine rotten pair...
* Ahem...I'd like to point out that what I said in the above in defence of the Mary Sue, I no longer subscribe to.
It is classic lit for girls to die and leave a grieving lover behind, or to marry.
it isn't classic any more when someone comes along, makes up this idealized version of herself, writes some fantasy about her and this crush, whether it's a movie character or whatever, for the sake of - getting together with that character and glorifying herself in this supposedly idealized version and living out her hot fantasies vicariously through her character. It gets particularly ridiculous if the male movie/series character the Mary Sue has the hots for, gets turned into a drippy, droney, simpering sap all because of this wondergirl that blows into his life like some sort of pheromone hurricane, turning his personality to mush. Not that the crush in question this time, had anything in the way of good personality or attractiveness to begin with.
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