Islamic Chain Letter, Valentine's Day Furor

You know how some, (not the majority) of Christians, are so against Halloween to the point of ridiculous?

Muslims are that way about Christmas, New Year's, and Valentine's too.

This blogger saw a chain letter from a Muslim friend that is of the same stripe as all the frantic "They're out to get your religion!" virals that target Christians. Replace Christian with Muslim, make it an anti-Christmas/new year rant, and there you have it.

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Merry X mas to one and all. I hope that you all have a lovely festive period and a jolly good new year. Though, according to a chain email that one of my Muslim friends received, all Muslims must ignore any and all festive or X mas related things, else you’re encouraging this terrible behavior. Baah humbug indeed.

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There is a chain letter about it.


🧕Meme: Celebrating Valentine’s Day

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Meh, not really.

🧕Meme: Allah has chosen for us Islam as our religion and He will not accept any other religion from anyone, as He says: "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers [Al Imran 3:85]

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: You can believe what you want but I don't think we're talking about the same god. Not that it matters anyway, this was supposed to be about Valentine's Day, right?

🧕Meme: And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) told us that groups of his ummah would follow the enemies of Allah in some of their rituals and customs,

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Well, fine, you worship Allah, I worship God.

🧕Meme: as it says in the hadeeth of Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him), who narrated

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: I don't care who narrated it.

🧕Meme: that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: *Sigh* Are you going to keep repeating that? It's getting tiresome.

🧕Meme: said: "You will certainly follow the ways of those who came before you, span by span, cubit by cubit, until even if they were to enter a lizard’s hole, you would follow them.”

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: No fear of that around here, and we use different measurements now.

🧕Meme: We said, “O Messenger of Allah, (do you mean) the Jews and Christians?” He said, “Who else?!”

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: *ZING!* There it is, according to this drip, we are all lost, or more accurately, 'losers'.

🧕Meme: (Narrated by al-Bukhaari 4/2054)

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Eh? I thought some other dude narrated it. Oh well…

🧕Meme: What the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Ackh! I'm going to delete any more repetitions I see of this monotony.

🧕Meme: spoke of has indeed come to pass and has become widespread in recent times, in many of the Muslim countries. Many of the Muslims follow the enemies of Allah in many of their customs and ways of behaving, and imitate them in some of their rituals and in celebrating their holidays.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: So what? I could celebrate Hanukkah, that wouldn't make me less of a Christian. I could do the Ramadan thing and that wouldn't mean I turned my back on God. It would only mean I was trying out various rituals,. It's not the ritual that makes the person, it's what's in that person's heart and spirit…

and - well, Islam is not a religion that appeals to me. Certainly not Ramadan, or praying the same prayers like 5 times a day, out loud, swamped in various complicated rituals. God won't condemn me for choosing to not do those. Jesus did away with a lot of that Pharisee type stuff and your prophet brought it all back.

🧕Meme: In recent years, a new phenomenon has spread among the Muslim youth – males and females alike – which does not bode well.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Huh? Do you have any idea how sexist that sounds? Males and females shouldn't be doing the same things? Really? *Rolling eyes*

🧕Meme: This is manifested in their imitation of the Christians in their celebration of the Valentine’s Day,

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: If there was any definite association with Christianity and Valentine's Day in the past, it has pretty much faded out, making Valentine's a secular and most trivial holiday just in my opinion. Not that you'd take this as information, but here's Wikipedia's write-up on Valentine's Day.

There were several people called Valentine in early Christendom, and some stories about these are fact, others are just legend.

🧕Meme: which has led the scholars and daa’iyahs to explain the rulings of sharee’ah concerning that, out of sincerity towards Allah, His Messenger, the leaders of the Muslims and their common folk, so that Muslims may have a clear understanding of this issue and so that they will not fall into that which will undermine the belief (‘aqeedah) with which Allah has blessed them.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Well bully for you. I don't believe in sharia, and I don't want it anywhere near me. I'd rather put up with Valentine's Day silliness.

🧕Meme: This is a brief discussion of the origins, development and purpose of this holiday, and what the Muslim should do with regard to it.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Okay, here we go.

🧕Meme: The story of the Festival of Love (Valentine’s Day)

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: I could use a campfire.

🧕Meme: The Festival of Love was one of the festivals of the pagan Romans, when paganism was the prevalent religion of the Romans more than seventeen centuries ago. In the pagan Roman concept, it was an expression of “spiritual love”.

There were myths associated with this pagan festival of the Romans, which persisted with their Christian heirs.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Wrong.

Valentine's Day didn't get its roots from Roman pagan festivals. Even if it had, that doesn't matter, because celebrating Valentine's Day doesn't turn you into a pagan.

"There is no evidence of any link between Saint Valentine's Day and the rites of the ancient Roman festival, despite many claims by many authors. The celebration of Saint Valentine did not have any romantic connotations until Chaucer's poetry about "Valentines" in the 14th century." - [Wikipedia]

In Ancient Rome, Lupercalia, observed February 13–15, was an archaic rite connected to fertility. Lupercalia was a festival local to the city of Rome. The more general Festival of Juno Februa, meaning "Juno the purifier "or "the chaste Juno", was celebrated on February 13–14. Pope Gelasius I (492–496) abolished Lupercalia. Some researchers have theorized that Gelasius I replaced Lupercalia with the celebration of the Purification of Mary in February 14 and claim a connection to the 14th century's connotations of romantic love, but the dates don't fit and there is no historical indication that he ever intended such a thing.

Alban Butler in his Lifes of the Principal Saints (1756–1759) claimed without proof that men and women in Lupercalia drew names from a jar to make couples, and that modern Valentine's letters originated from this custom. In reality, this practice originated in the Middle Ages, with no link to Lupercalia, with men drawing the names of girls at random to couple with them. This custom was combated by priests, for example by Frances de Sales around 1600, apparently by replacing it with a religious custom of girls drawing the names of apostles from the altar. However, this religious custom is recorded as soon as the 13th century in the life of Saint Elizabeth of Hungary, so it could have a different origin." -[Wikipedia]

🧕Meme: Among the most famous of these myths was the Roman belief that Romulus, the founder of Rome, was suckled one day by a she-wolf, which gave him strength and wisdom.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Uh, no, that is so NOT a Christian belief! That is what the Romans believed about Rome.

🧕Meme: The connection between Saint Valentine and this festival

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Is nill.

🧕Meme: Saint Valentine is a name which is given to two of the ancient “martyrs” of the Christian Church. It was said that there were two of them, or that there was only one, who died in Rome as the result of the persecution of the Gothic leader Claudius, c. 296 CE. In 350 CE, a church was built in Rome on the site of the place where he died, to perpetuate his memory.

When the Romans embraced Christianity, they continued to celebrate the Feast of Love mentioned above, but they changed it from the pagan concept of “spiritual love” to another concept known as the “martyrs of love”, represented by Saint Valentine who had advocated love and peace, for which cause he was martyred, according to their claims. It was also called the Feast of Lovers, and Saint Valentine was considered to be the patron saint of lovers.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: What a pile of bullcrap!

The Christians never had a "feast of love" or a "festival of love".

From Wikipedia:

"Popular modern sources claim links to unspecified Greco-Roman February holidays alleged to be devoted to fertility and love to St. Valentine's Day, but prior to Chaucer in the 14th century, there were no links between the Saints named Valentinus and romantic love. Earlier links as described above were focused on sacrifice rather than romantic love. In the ancient Athenian calendar the period between mid-January and mid-February was the month of Gamelion, dedicated to the sacred marriage of Zeus and Hera.

🧕Meme: It was also said concerning the origins of this holiday that when the Romans became Christian, after Christianity had become widespread, the Roman emperor Claudius II decreed in the third century CE that soldiers should not get married, because marriage would distract them from the wars they used to fight. This decree was opposed by Saint Valentine, who started to perform marriages for the soldiers in secret. When the emperor found out about that, he threw him in jail and sentenced him to execution. In prison, he (Saint Valentine) fell in love with the jailer’s daughter, but this was a secret because according to Christian laws, priests and monks were forbidden to marry or fall in love. But he is still regarded highly by the Christians because of his steadfastness in adhering to Christianity when the emperor offered to pardon him if he forsook Christianity and worshipped the Roman gods; then he would be one of his closest confidantes and he would make him his son-in-law. But Valentine refused this offer and preferred Christianity, so he was executed on 14 February 270 CE, on the eve of February 15, the festival of Lupercalis. So this day was named for this saint.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Wow, talk about legend embellishment! This whole sorry story is only a legend, and you didn't even get that right. This mythical version of Valentine didn't fall in love with the jailer's or the emperor's daughter, he was said to have healed the jailer's daughter. But again, there is no proof whatsoever to back this up.

🧕Meme: Anyone who looks at what is said above about the myths surrounding this pagan festival

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Should realize that there are a lot of stories flying around and believing or disbelieving any of them won't damn anyone. Those stories just aren't that important.

🧕Meme: will clearly understand the following:

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: The following is just a take on the legend that was never proven to be fact.

🧕Meme: Firstly: That its origins lie in the pagan beliefs of the Romans, where it was an expression of the spiritual love of the idols which they used to worship instead of Allah.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: No pagan festival was ever linked with the Christian saint day, and the "love" bit only came into things a good thousand years after Roman times.

🧕Meme: Whoever celebrates it is celebrating an occasion of shirk on which the idols are venerated.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Wrong! The fact is, it matters not what day any festival is. It matters not if pagans had a celebration said to be on the same date on the calendar. Christians and Jews do not celebrate pagan idols, period.

But if you are going to throw the "Christians are pagans" rock, you should be careful, and be aware that Islam is being called into the same question.

The Hidden Origins Of Islam Pagan Orgins Of Islam Exposed Islam Exposed, Origin Of Islam Allah, Moon God Archaeology Proves Islam Is Pagan In Origin And Rituals Part 2 (No dialog, just what's on the screen and great relaxing Indian music.)

U of Chicago, Islam's Origins

And here is a documentary about paganism in ancient times.

What's more, I find it rather ironic and bemusing that an Islamic group has named itself Isis, which was an ancient pagan goddess.

Furthermore, that group is among the same ilk that commits far worse than just eating candy and giving cards on a holiday.

This documentary and much of the mass media and politicians like to gloss over the ugly parts of Muslim history and facets of Islamic life today, often while vilifyingg Christianity by way of pinning a morass of human atrocitiess at Christianity's door.

But that is not accurate, and as far as history goes, human society everywhere was mired in intrigue and violence. But it isn't Christians, certainly not real ones committing the sorts of things in the following.

1 2 3

And how on earth anyone can excuse, defend, or try to justify any of these is utterly beyond all reason:

1 - too bad Pamela Geller figured prominently in some of these exposes because she's out in left field on other issues(

2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14

So as far as I'm concerned, you're full of it. Before you judge us as pagan, you better make sure all such evil as the above is not connected with your own ideology, and I'm not so sure you can do that.

🧕Meme: Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: I worship God, not Allah. I don't believe they are one and the same. Islam and Christianity are way too far apart for that. I actually consider Islam to be a form of paganism, so there you go.

🧕Meme: “Verily, whosoever sets up partners (in worship) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise to him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers” [al-Maa’idah 5:72]

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: You can also be a monotheist and still get it wrong, and not by merely getting/giving cards, candy and flowers on Feb. 14, or Jul. 7.

🧕Meme: Secondly: That the development of this festival among the Romans was connected to myths and legends which no sound mind can accept, let alone the mind of the Muslim who believes in Allah and His Messengers (peace be upon them). Can anyone of sound mind believe that a she-wolf suckled the founder of the city of Rome and gave him strength and wisdom?

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf:Hello, dude, chick - just because I eat heart shaped chocolates on February 14 doesn't make me a believer in that myth. No Christian believes in that. I thought I already explained that to you. That's a Roman myth, not a Christian belief, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Valentine's Day or any other holiday on the North American calendar.

And who in their right mind would believe in the ravings of some dude who was a polygamist extraordinaire, who included a little girl among his wives, and who thought he could somehow improve on the Messiah?

🧕Meme: Moreover, these myths go against the belief (‘aqeedah) of the Muslim because the One Who bestows strength and wisdom is the Creator, may He be glorified and exalted, not the milk of a she-wolf!

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Hey, you! I don't know how to dumb this down to less than one syllable for you do understand this. But - we - do - not - buy - the - she-wolf - thing. So drop it already!

🧕Meme: The same applies to the myth that their idols could protect them from evil or keep wolves away from their flocks.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Duh. We don't believe in idols. And you seem obsessed with wolves. What's up with that?

🧕Meme: Someone may ask you: why do we Muslims not celebrate this festival?

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Actually I never asked. Every society has their own holidays/festivals and that's the short answer. There are a lot of things I don't understand about Islam, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong or that whatever they do is not actually happening. Along with my Christian upbringing, there's enough in Islam that has pretty much insured I will never be a Muslim. So it really isn't your business which festivals I observe, and not for you to judge why.

🧕Meme: This question may be answered in several ways:

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Hello? Notice, I never asked in the first place.

🧕Meme: 1. In Islam, the festivals are clearly defined and well established, and no additions or subtractions may be accepted. They are an essential part of our worship and there is no room for ijtihaad or personal opinion. They have been prescribed for us by Allah and His Messenger (delete repeated phrase). Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Just one festival alone could keep me from becoming a Muslim. ramadan. In addition, there are so many other things Islam that make it hopelessly unappealing so that even if I was an agnostic searching for something to believe in and a religion to follow, Islam would not be it.

🧕Meme: “Festivals are part of the laws, clear way and religious ceremonies of which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: fine for you. So observe your festivals but don't condemn anyone else for doing it their own way. It's not your job to do that.

🧕Meme: ‘To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way [al-Maa’idah 5:48]

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: You already said that.

🧕Meme: ‘For every nation We have ordained religious ceremonies which they must follow’ [al-Hajj 22:67]

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: For - "every nation" Look, you govern your own people, and only your own. We do not want you interfering with our non-Muslim nations. Celebrate your way, and let us well enough alone. We don't tell you what festivals to observe, so please, afford us the same consideration.

🧕Meme: Like the qiblah (direction faced in prayer), prayer and fasting.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: I don't believe in fasting, and there are Christian sects that do. I see it as a very unnecessary, unhealthy form of self-abuse, self-torture, and I will not accept the idea that it is done for our spiritual good. And that is why Ramadan in particular is so unappealing.

🧕Meme: So there is no difference between joining them in their festival and joining them in their other rituals. Agreeing with the whole festival is agreeing with kufr. Agreeing with some of their minor issues is the same as agreeing with them in some of the branches of kufr. Festivals are the most distinctive things by which religions are told apart, so whoever celebrates their festivals is agreeing with the most distinctive rituals of kufr. Undoubtedly going along with them in their festivals may in some cases lead to kufr.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: You completely lost me there but for trying to summarize it as "You must go along with all of it or nothing." Okay, I'll take nothing. "If you eat candy hearts on a particular date on the calendar, you are guilty of paganism." No, I'm not going along with that.

🧕Meme: Dabbling in these things, at the very least, is a sin.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: What strikes me as more of a sin is your own Mohammad's marriage track-record, and all the seemingly unnecessary auto-praying that's required in Islam. Praying without sincerity isn't right either, and it would be insincere if I was made to pray facing east five times a day, and the prayer would be all scripted out, not even my own words. And that's nothing to say of the various washing rituals that go along with that as well. It all seems so Pharisee-like.

🧕Meme: The Prophet (delete repeated phrase) referred to the fact that every nation has its own festivals when he said:

‘Every nation has its own Eid and this is our Eid’ (al-Bukhaari , 952, Muslim, 1892).” (al-Iqtidaa’, 1/471-472)

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Fine. So what are you doing here, then?

🧕Meme: Because Valentine’s Day goes back to Roman times, not Islamic times, this means that it is something which belongs exclusively to the Christians,

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Not any more. And Christians are pretty generous with our holidays. We don't mind sharing our festivals with anyone who wants to observe them, though honestly, today's Valentine's Day has lost much of its original meaning, being trivialized down to a celebration of romance. But it didn't start out that way, nor was it ever truly linked with the roman pagan festivities.

🧕Meme: not to Islam, and the Muslims have no share and no part in it.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Suit yourself. No one's making you celebrate it. Neither do you have the right to tell other people what to celebrate, Muslim or not.

🧕Meme: If every nation has its own festivals, as the Prophet (repeated phrase deleted) said – “Every nation has its Eid” (narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim) – then this means that every nation should be distinguished by its festivals. If the Christians have a festival and the Jews have a festival, which belongs exclusively to them, then no Muslim should join in with them, just as he does not share their religion or their direction of prayer.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: So you were rambling on and on about Valentine's Day and she-wolves only to wrap up with a "To each their own" Wow. You could've saved yourself and anyone else who happens to read this a lot of unnecessary wasted time and simply just shut up and done your own thing.

🧕Meme: 2. Celebrating Valentine’s Day means resembling or imitating the pagan Romans,

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Repeating this judgemental lie a million times will not make it come true. There is no link between the Christian saint day and any Roman pagan feast. You got that!? For the record, there are Christians making the same mistake as you in believing this lie.

🧕Meme: then the Christian People of the Book in their imitation of the Romans in something that was not a part of their religion.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Look, that day is no imitation of any roman pagan feast!

Any other times when emulation might have occurred back in roman times was done to avoid getting tossed to the lions or crucified or facing some other barbaric form of punishment and death, having nothing to do with Christians actually wanting to be like the Roman pagans at all…

but that doesn't even matter today. That was back then, this is now. You can't condemn today's people for the sins of the Romans a couple of thousand years ago.

🧕Meme: If it is not allowed to imitate the Christians in things that really are part of their religion – but not part of our religion – then how about things which they have innovated in their religion in imitation of idol-worshippers?!

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Are you really this thick? I already told you… we do not worship idols. we do not immitate the worship of idols. Get that through your head!

🧕Meme: Imitating the kuffaar in general –whether they are idol-worshippers or People of the Book – is haraam, whether that imitation is of their worship – which is the most serious form – or of their customs and behaviour. This is indicated by the Qur’aan, Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: I don't know what haraam or kuffaar are, and don't care. If you want to be so closed-minded, don't whinge when you can't force other nations to bend over backward to indulge you.

🧕Meme: “And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:105]

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: I don't want your offer of awful torment, thanks.

🧕Meme: Allah has forbidden imitation of the kuffaar; He has described it as hateful and has warned against the consequences of that, in many aayahs, on many occasions, and in various ways, especially imitation of the kuffaar. Sometimes He does that by forbidding following them or obeying them; sometimes by warning against them or being deceived by their plots, following their opinions, or being influenced by their actions, conduct or attitude. Sometimes He does that by mentioning some of their characteristics that will put the believers off from them and from imitating them. Most of the warnings in the Qur’aan refer to the Jews and hypocrites (munaafiqeen), then the People of the Book in general and the mushrikeen. Allah tells us in the Qur’aan that imitating and obeying the kuffaar may constitute riddah (apostasy). Allah also forbids following them, obeying them, or following their whims and desires and bad characteristics.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: I couldn't make much out of that mountain of mumbo-jumbo other than that you think we non-Muslims are hypocrites with bad character. wow, I'm really feeling the love and tolerance here.

🧕Meme: Prohibition of imitating the kuffaar is one of the basic principles of sharee’ah. Allah sent His Messenger with guidance and the true religion so that it might prevail over all other religions,

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: so that's your goal, world domination?

Well, there's a lot about your "true religion" that seems to promote a lot of untruth to me. so again, no thanks.

🧕Meme: and Allah has perfected His religion for mankind:

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Because, clearly, he thought Jesus wasn't near good enough.

🧕Meme: “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion” [al-Maa’idah 5:3 – interpretation of the meaning].

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Blah.

🧕Meme: 3. Some people may wonder, and say, you mean to deprive us of love,

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Not love… Our own religions...

Really, I don't go in for this 'love' stuff in the context of the current Valentine's day anyway. Romance gets celebrated and talked about every day throughout the year as it is, I don't think we need a special day for it as well.

🧕Meme: but in this day and age we express our feelings and emotions – what is so wrong with that?

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: I'm sure you're about to tell me.

🧕Meme: We it is a mistake to confuse what they call the day with what the real intentions are behind it.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: You're still confused, willfully confused. the origin was not about love or about pagans at all. The current day has become a mere shadow with only the name remaining, and probably most people don't even know who ST. Valentine was. especially since there was said to have been more than one, all with different stories.

🧕Meme: The love referred to on this day is romantic love,

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Only because that's what the holiday has morphed into since the late middle ages/early renaissance.

From Wikipedia once again:

""Valentine's Day has only recently been celebrated as the day of love. The day of love was traditionally March 12, the Saint Gregory's day, or February 22, Saint Vincent's Day. The patron of love was Saint Anthony, whose day has been celebrated on June 13.[33]"

"Alban Butler in his Lifes of the Principal Saints (1756–1759) claimed without proof that men and women in Lupercalia drew names from a jar to make couples, and that modern Valentine's letters originated from this custom. In reality, this practice originated in the Middle Ages, with no link to Lupercalia, with men drawing the names of girls at random to couple with them. This custom was combated by priests, for example by Frances de Sales around 1600, apparently by replacing it with a religious custom of girls drawing the names of apostles from the altar. However, this religious custom is recorded as soon as the 13th century in the life of Saint Elizabeth of Hungary, so it could have a different origin.[15]"

🧕Meme: taking mistresses and lovers, boyfriends and girlfriends.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: I just showed you why your idea is flat out wrong. And considering the history of your very own precious prophet, you're hardly in a position to condemn anyone else for the very same things.

🧕Meme: It is known to be a day of promiscuity and sex for them, with no restraints or restrictions…

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: This is nothing short of an utter bald-faced lie. Read the Wikipedia info again. This slander against Christians and Jews by accusing them of shameless sex-fests when your own prophet wed and bedded more than his share of women, one wife being a little girl, and considering the general mutilation against young girls going on in the name of Muslim purification even today, makes your whole write-up a pathetic farce.

🧕Meme: They are not talking of pure love between a man and his wife or a woman and her husband, or at least they do not distinguish between the legitimate love in the relationship between husband and wife,

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Because it never was a celebration of strictly marriage, not even romance until much much later on. As for husband and wife, that would be husband and WIVES in the case of your very own prophet, and not even separate marriages where it was one wife and then another, but at the same time:

1. Khadijah bint Khuwaylid 595–619

2.Sawda bint Zamʿa 619–632

3. Aisha bint Abi Bakr 619–632 (the one he married as a little girl)

4. Hafsa bint Umar 624–632

5.Zaynab bint Khuzayma 625–627

6. Hind bint Abi Umayya 629–632

7. Zaynab bint Jahsh 627–632

8. Juwayriya bint al-Harith 628–632

9. Ramlah bint Abi Sufyan 628–632

10. Rayhana bint Zayd 629–631

11. Safiyya bint Huyayy 629–632

12. Maymuna bint al-Harith 630–632

13. Maria al-Qibtiyya 630–632

🧕Meme: and the forbidden love of mistresses and lovers.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Today's watered-down version is about romance, not marriage, not sex, although it is certain that married people probably do have sex to celebrate, but that's really no one's business. As far as I'm concerned, your very own prophet engaged frequently in forbidden relationships, by Christian standards, and I will not use the term 'love' to describe that.

🧕Meme: This festival for them is a means for everyone to express love.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: And for some of us, it just means an excuse to go out and get some candy, watch scary movies, maybe do some random nice thing for someone.

While Ramadan is about starving yourself out of some kind of penetence/purification or whatever.

🧕Meme: The Muslim’s attitude towards Valentine’s Day

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Sucks even more than those who go overboard the other way.

🧕Meme: From the above discussion, the Muslim’s attitude towards this holiday should be clear:

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Yeah, clearly sucking out loud.

🧕Meme: (1) He should not celebrate it, or join others in their celebrations of it, or attend their celebrations,

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Good. Then don't. Your choice. I don't care.

🧕Meme: because of the evidence quoted above which shows that it is forbidden to celebrate the festivals of the kuffaar.

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: kuffaar bluffaar schmuffaar. Your so-called "evidence" is nothing but conjecture and lies coming from old legends and inaccuracies already spouted by people getting it wrong.

🧕Meme: Al-Haafiz al-Dhahabi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “If the Christians have a festival and the Jews have a festival, which belongs only to them, then the Muslim should not join them in that, just as he does not join them in their religion or their direction of prayer.” (Tashabbuh al-Khasees bi Ahl al-Khamees, al-Hikmah magazine, 4/193).

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: So you don't want to be a Jew. Your choice. So you don't want to share anything with other nations. Fine. What are you doing here?

🧕Meme: Are you still going to celebrate?

🧝‍♀️Ocean Elf: Hah! More than ever. I'm going to have a blast today. I need it after the stresses of late. I'll watch movies, eat good food, and be my usual very unromantic self, and make it a special day because you pretty much goaded me into it.

Over and out!


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