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Oh noes! They called her a Mary Sue!" "Oh not fair! They removed Jeff from the wiki!"

Fandoms apparently have a lot of things to get angry about. Here we go.

"Waaaaaaah! Somebody just called my/my friend's character a Mary Sue! Not fair!What meanies!"

fandom idiots call anything that calls a CP character a Mary Sue a "hate blog"

Either that or they say that a character is so bad and un-creepy that it shouldn't be considered a creepy pasta, which is just as annoying.

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The-Metal-Maniac: A couple thoughts on hate blogs

by The-Metal-Maniac, Nov 19, 2013, 6:21:13 PM

The-Metal-Maniac: I really should be working a big stats project right now, but blast it. This is more important. These flarers made corgi break down and cry.

Ocean Elf: So it goes. Fandoms... *Rolling eyes* This is not the same as actually leaving crappy comments on some author's page. This was just people writing in their own blog, which the author didn't have to read, nor did their friends need to.

The-Metal-Maniac: So over the last couple months I've seen a few of my fellow Creepypasta artists' OCs get featured by some of those "constructive criticism" blogs, better know as hate blogs. You know the type I'm talking about. The ones that find somebody's OC, label it a Mary-Sue, and then proceed to pick it apart for no other reason than because they can. The authors of the blogs claim they're doing it because they're trying to be "constructive", but the truth is, they're really not. They're simply doing it out of hamgoddemn flaring spite.

Ocean Elf: Well, I can't speak for all of them, there probably a few that are for the reasons you wish to believe.

Others are doing it for a couple of valid reasons.

1. They are sick of seeing crappy characters that are Sues, whether you like it or not, all over the net in just about every fanbase.

Sues are a fandom problem though, not a problem with a part of a fanbase that consists of casual fans instead of the fandom part of it. And everything about fandoms, including Mary Sues can annoy the heck out of casual fans and non-fans. The reason some Mary Sues annoy others within fandoms is because the person being annoyed didn't write the Mary Sue. Simple.

2. They are not writing in their own blog to "hate" on some author and character and make them feel the "hate". It is venting, plus giving people who haven't yet written such stories and characters reason to think twice before inflicting something on the net that might be similar to what is being ranted about. It's more of a caution to future and potential authors than "hate". It's also a way to help somewhat experienced writers and role-players to touch up their characters and stories to get them out of Sue territory. Who hasn't started out innocently enough, unwittingly making their stuff a little bit Mary Sue?

More to the point, this is not a "hate blog" It is merely freedom of expression. No one is actually being threatened by the bloggers. Fictional creepy pasta characters are getting skewered, and they should be. their authors are only being given a wake-up slap to stop making such cliche and annoying characters. Commenters are being ridiculed for having such thin skins that they let this blog bother them so much.

If this was truly "hate" the bloggers would be putting these reviews right on the comment sections of the Mary Sue author's own web pages.

But they're not.

They're putting their own opinion up on their own blog, and last time I checked, that was not infringing on anyone else's rights.

Hate toward a fictional character does not count as hate speech, because it is not singling out a real person or group of real people to smear, harass, or threaten.

I can say how I hate creepy pastas and even the fandom. That isn't hate speech, because I never said creepy pasta fans should be killed.

Have you ever seen the cesspit of anti-brony comments all over Youtube? There's far more real hate in those than in one blog that beaks off about some cringe-worthy Mary Sue creepy pasta. Anti-Bronies routinely tell male My Little Pony fans, including those who are still children, to kill themselves.

The-Metal-Maniac: I watched it happen to kiracreator21:'s HB Kay, where the author of the blog apparently flaring fails at reading comprehension.

Ocean Elf: Just because some blogger doesn't like some character your friend made up doesn't mean they fail at reading comprehension. It merely means your friend probably wrote a crappy character. I can safely assume this because I've seen more than I care to of fandoms and their ideas of good fiction writing.

I don't like creepy pastas, particularly the most well known ones. I find their fandoms (not the whole fanbase), to be disgusting. Fangirls crushing on Jeff The Killer, everybody all squealing about how scary they think Slender Man is, etc.

Such characters need their arses kicked, hard. And if other Mary Sues from different types of fiction get reality-checked, so should those from creepy pasta.

And, if no one else wants to do that, I will.

While I appreciate that there are some level-headed casual fans of this stuff out there, creepy pasta gets way too much praise as a subgenera, thanks to its humungous fandom.

I'm here to oppose the whole shebang, whether you like it or not. It's what I do. It's what I like to do. And it is still my right.

The-Metal-Maniac: And today, some trio of smug little craps from a blog called Whyfags went after blazexdx:'s Grace and pncke: Suicide Sadie, Yvette (aka Sweet Tooth), and Sharpjaw.

Ocean Elf: With good reason. I would too, but they already said a lot of what I might have.

having said that, there are things I dislike about that blog.

The name "Why fags" that's troll talk. When I graduated from high school, I entered the adult world, and no one used "fag" any more. I never did, not even when I was still in school.

The blog is filled with obscenities.

That's why the pasta-related entries and comments have all been reposted on the Mary Sue page with the nasty lingo taken out so people who don't like seeing f-bombs every other word can read and appreciate whatever messages the bloggers and commenters are trying to convey.

Commenter Wrath Over Original Character Criticism

The-Metal-Maniac: They flaring made corgi cry. Why? Not because they're trying to provide constructive criticism.

Ocean Elf: If by constructive you mean knit-picking over grammar, sentence/paragraph structure, plot movement, well, they had a lot to say about all of that with every character they critiqued. But mostly it was about the many other things about the characters that were overdone, seen way too much in other characters already (cliche) or just didn't make sense. If someone cried over that, well, they didn't have to check out that blog, did they? Their friends didn't have to point the blog out to them in the first place, did they? And anyway, this person seemed to get over it as indicated in the uber long section of comments on that entry.

Nobody likes to be told their character sucks, let alone why.

But you're going to run into that when you write creepy pasta characters and submit them to any of the fandom sites like DeviantArt.

The-Metal-Maniac: They said at the start of their rant/"review" that no creepypasta OC, including BEN and even hamgoddemn Slenderman(!) is creepy or scary.

Ocean Elf: I'll take that even further and say that Ben Drowned and Slender Man themselves are not creepy or scary. If people stopped hyping them up as not only scary, but possibly real, and in the case of Slender Man, ridiculously over powered, there wouldn't be people actually being scared of them, or stabbing their friends to please these characters. Like it or not, the real monster here is the fandom. Somebody has to put things into perspective and start giving these over-coddled creepy pastas the butt-kicking they need to balance things out.

The-Metal-Maniac: I'M SORRY, WHO DIED AND MADE YOU THREE arseholeS KING OVER WHAT IS AND ISN'T CREEPY/SCARY?

Ocean Elf: I could ask you the very same thing. Who died and made you supreme monarch over what is or isn't creepy/scary?

No one, you whiny drongo, much as the pasta fandom's mob mentality agrees with you. Please, get freaking over yourself already! If you want to remain one of the mindless pasta fandom and believe Slender Man is creepy and shouldn't be criticized, that is your ruddy problem.

Slender Man, Ben Drowned, etc. are not creepy, they are disgusting, annoying and stupid.

Yes, I said it, I'm proud of it, I'm not taking it back, and it is my right. Nobody made me queen of anything to hold this opinion. So suck it up and deal.

Slender Man is STAAAAAAAAAAAANK!

The-Metal-Maniac: All they are doing is spewing hate on great artisst

Ocean Elf: No. DaVinci was a great artist. Van Gogh was a great artist. The creepy pasta fans trying to be great artists found on Deviant Art, Quotev, Wattpad, Tumblr, fanfiction.net etc are a penny a dozen, and as far as I know, not too many or none of them have become celebrities outside their internet fandoms.

The-Metal-Maniac: because the self-righteous twits (edit)

Ocean Elf: Pot... Kettle... Noir... Look who's talking! On top of that, calling those guys three self-righteous female genitalia is particularly stupid as well as perverted.

The-Metal-Maniac: have nothing better to do with their time.

Ocean Elf: Oh I see - and you're really making great use of yours here...

Right.

The-Metal-Maniac: Constructive criticism my arse.

Ocean Elf: It is for anyone who is developing a character. If they read it, (and may I suggest the edited one on the Mary Sue page?) it could help them to avoid making such characters for fan fiction or role-playing or anything else. The authors whose characters were actually blasted over there, never needed to be told about let alone read that blog.

The-Metal-Maniac: These smug little basilisks (edit)

Ocean Elf: Oh, so they're smug because they aren't awestruck by pasta Sues and don't think slender Man is creepy. Well then, you can add me to the smug list, too.

The-Metal-Maniac: aren't even worthy of being called trolls.

Ocean Elf: Uh, wow. Just - wow. "worthy of being called trolls" I can tell you really have your priorities straight. That's even worse than this dang annoying thing I keep seeing when people complain about creepy pastas and then say they aren't "worthy of being called creepy pastas".

But you know what?

It's actually an honour to not be that worthless. Because being a troll is the most worthless netizen there is. There are various degrees and types of trolls, sure, but trolls are worthless. You can't get any lower than that.

So if they are not worth the title of troll, that means they must be something better, even if only slightly. And if they think slender Man is not scary, that's worth quite a lot as far as I'm concerned.

The-Metal-Maniac: It's scum-sucking jackasses like this that kill other people's creativity.

Ocean Elf: No, it isn't.

These people stuck to putting their rants on their own site. No one has to go there and read it.

I'll tell you what really kills creativity.

Roleplay/writing on some platform with other writers' characters that annoy or make you cringe or want to throw things, characters your own characters just would never fit in with. Characters that flame one another as well as yours. Writers who are totally full of themselves and stuffy or otherwise just too hard to relate to.

Fangirl Mary Sues who wage bullying hate campaigns, stalking and harassing their fellow Mary Sue authors off the net over some stupid anime characters.

That's killing creativity.

The-Metal-Maniac: Constructive criticism doesn't make people break down and cry and consider just quitting altogether YOU hamgoddemn flariNG crapHEADS.

Ocean Elf: Too bad you weren't around when the Senna Une/Treize thing was going on. Not that Senna would've listened to you, but put it this way, what you just said applies more to what she did than what these bloggers did. Senna went out of her way to try making someone else break down and quit, and eventually succeeded. These bloggers didn't do that. They put their own opinions on their own blog. Your artist friend read it of her own free will. She could've avoided that headache.

The-Metal-Maniac: THERE IS A SPECIAL CIRCLE IN HELL RESERVED FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

Ocean Elf: OMG please. Save that for Encyclopedia Dramatica, 4chan, and the Sennas of the world.

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CherubFeet Jan 18, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

you mean blogs like "sociallyunacceptableart3" and "fnohomestuck"? Yeah... I've seen more than 20 things of mine posted on those kinds of blogs. I laugh because the people who posted them on those blogs don't think the creators of the pieces will find out.

Ocean Elf: If they find out, so what? It's an opinion, not plagiarism. It isn't illegal to write about why you think some character is crappy on your own blog.

Greeny-Star Nov 23, 2013 Student Traditional Artist

Dude you are my hero. It's ~Green*Star by the way.

Ocean Elf: Oh, what is this world coming to? I fail to see anything heroic anywhere in here.

xFroggiii Nov 21, 2013 Hobbyist Traditional Artist

Or better, the circle was created.

furbearingbrick Nov 20, 2013 Hobbyist Traditional Artist

Now just watch as the defenders of said hate blogs come flooding in....

Ocean Elf: Don't count on it.

KiraCreator21 Nov 20, 2013 Student General Artist

Oh flaring (blasphemy), this hamgoddemn dipsticks did it again?

I'm sorry but I'm gonna take some action.

Ocean Elf: Well goody hurrah for you.

Hear ye, hear ye! take heart, everyone, for all is not lost! Super KiraCreator21 is going to save the world from da big bad "hate bloggers"! All will be peace and harmony once again and everybody can think Slender Man is creepy and Mary Sues don't exist in creepy pasta!

What a hero.

furbearingbrick Nov 20, 2013 Hobbyist Traditional Artist

I see this happen all the time with Worm Jeff. It's always either "baw u ruined Jeff, he's not a worm", "this is too weird, I don't understand it, therefore it sucks", or "it's Jeff-related, therefore it sucks." And of course, in almost nearly every instance it's clear the critic has not put more than three seconds of research into his mythos. I can't flarin' win.

Ocean Elf: Mythos schmythos. Screw mythos. Too many people just adore mythos, which are usually centered around scummy characters and series IMO.

Jeff doesn't need a ruddy mythos. He needs a jackhammer to the back of his skull.

Yes, most Jeff-related stuff stinks, because it's pro-Jeff or pro-Jane, or it's Jeff shipping with another infamous CP or someone's Mary Sue character.

furbearingbrick Nov 20, 2013 Hobbyist Traditional Artist

OK, that tears it. Time for CJ to get some new prey.

Ocean Elf: *Scowl* And these cretins don't understand why some people dislike them.

Last I checked, being a predator wasn't cool.

That rule doesn't exclude CP fandom.

pncke Nov 20, 2013

thanks for trying to cheer me up...

you all are amazing..

it's just been really hard on my life lately..

my health, college, now this..

i'm possibly getting more sick...?

my luck is truly rotten...

Ocean Elf: Whatever...

angryleo1998 Nov 19, 2013 Hobbyist Writer

THE TABLE IS FLIPPED! YOU DO NOT, repeat, NOT HATE ON SOMEONE'S OC. AND MAKE THEM CRY *CLICK-CLICK!* ANY BODY GOOD AT HACKING THE CIA DATABASE?

Ocean Elf: Dude. Hacking is really not cool unless it is actually being used by law enforcement. That is so not required over some silly creepy pasta OCs.

When people want attention and praise so much that they just stick their characters onto a site where a bunch of potentially hostile and equally competitive strangers see it, getting bad reviews is just something that is probably going to happen at some point.

But blast it, people, this was a personal blog. None of you had to go check it out. Tears could've been saved.

And when wanna-be authors write especially horrid characters, then act like complete brats when their characters aren't received with the adoration they were expecting, if that criticism makes them cry, it is their own fault for being such egocentric jerks.

Would you rally to the defence of Lavender Chelsey and her bratty author?

Rosenfox Nov 19, 2013 Hobbyist General Artist

*highfives you*

I agree. I scanned over the blog and these guys are just cruel >:U I think her characters are very cool o_o

Ocean Elf: Yeah, it's obvious you really have a well rounded view of things here...

Uh that was sarcasm.

FCOL, people, since when is writing opinions about CP characters on a personal blog cruel? The only way this would be cruel is is these guys went and splashed their negative opinions on the authors' pages and internet haunts, making sure the author would see every disparaging word.

That didn't happen here.

You tools went over to these critique blogs of your own free will. You didn't like what you read, so you had a whinge-fest about it.

Poet-of-all-Art Nov 19, 2013 Hobbyist General Artist

just...I'm worried for Corgi, even though she's older than all of us...we're all worried for Corgi, right?

Ocean Elf: I was worried for Mirabella, who was older than me and the others on that email list during Senna's insane hate rampage&stalking campaign.

That makes what Corgi faced seem like nothing in comparison. And Corgi even appeared to get over it in the comment thread at the blog you snipes are so upset about.

The best way to deal with this type of blog if you don't like it is to ignore it. Don't send your author friends over there, especially if they've just panned one of their characters.

Blazexdx Nov 19, 2013 Hobbyist Digital Artist

I'm really worried about Corgi... I don't want her to be sad for stupid people

When we enter to a fandom, we need to be strong, haters are everywhere

I knew that, I'm sure Corgi knew it too, but they made her cry... NOBODY DO THAT TO MY FRIENDS!

Ocean Elf: Fandoms are fanatical, that's what makes them fandoms. That's why there is so much unreasonable hate and unreasonable adoration of anything.

The best way to avoid being made to cry is to avoid fandoms and just stick with the part of a fanbase that is more level-headed casual fans.

These bloggers weren't trying to make anyone cry. They were just writing in their own ruddy blog.

Senna Marie Maxwell AKA Jenny Ko tried to make someone cry and worse.

The-Metal-Maniac Nov 19, 2013 Hobbyist General Artist

I definitely agree with you there.

I mean, why pick on Corgi? Of all the artists, why her? Why not try going after AngryDog's Jane the Killer?

Or HB Kay?

Or mrcoldflame901's Kyoto?

Or he||, go after Nazar and the Judge?

All of those creepypasta OCs probably violate their stupid "Don'ts" list somehow (and are easier targets, now that I think about it).

What the he|| did Corgi ever do to those basement-dwelling cretins?

Ocean Elf: "basement-dwelling" Oh, that's so original...

I have no idea why these bloggers haven't tackled any of those you mentioned, I think they should. I'd love to see what they'd have to say about them.

But they don't just do CP-related stuff. If they did, surely they would have at least torn Jeff and Jane several new ones already. Or I would hope.

There is nothing "amazing" here.

Blazexdx Nov 19, 2013 Hobbyist Digital Artist

I DON'T KNOW!

Always Corgi, why her...? she is amazing and her OCs too...

I really wanted something like this to happend, but to me, not to her... again

First Ann The Killer, LollaKill and now this!?

What is wrong with the world!?

Our Corgi had too much of this crap...

Ocean Elf: "Ann The Killer" = Jeff Mary Sue by title alone. There is already Nina The Killer, Jana The Killer, and Jess The Killer. And of course, Jane.

Apparently some people churn out too many CP Sues.

The-Metal-Maniac Nov 19, 2013 Hobbyist General Artist

It's sickening. At least Ann the Killer/LollaKill had an "artist" and OC vs. OC issue with Corgi. These basilisks are doing it just for their twisted fun.

Honestly, I'd much rather they attack me and my characters instead of Corgi (I probably wouldn't give a damn about it anyway, but it'd be interesting to see what they had to say at the very least).

Ocean Elf: Well apparently Corgi wrote enough Sues to get this much notice from them. Whoever they are. As long as no one harassed her on her own bit of cyber space, and kept their comments on their own blogs/journals, I don't see a problem with it. And blogs that are expressly for "critiquing" aren't there to dole out praise, nor do they pick on just one person.

Blazexdx Nov 19, 2013 Hobbyist Digital Artist

It was interesting to see what they said to my Grace -w-

But Corgi had too much...

Ocean Elf: Probably because she had more characters in the mix. I dunno.

But every last one of these OCS are whack as far as I'm concerned. So deal.

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"Waaaaahhhh! CPWiki Just Removed Jeff The Killer! What Meannies!"

CPWIKI JUST DELETED JEFF THE KILLER!

by The-Metal-Maniac, Feb 6, 2014, 7:33:54 PM

Ocean Elf: And this is somehow a bad thing?

I have mixed feelings about that. since I don't regard creepy pasta as anything but fanfic/horror story memes, I am surprised that anyone is trying to clean up the wiki. especially since Wikia itself is a place for fandoms, by fandoms.

But at the same time, I can't help laughing at all the tantrums the Jeff fangirls would have over something like that.

They need it knocked into their head that Jeff, Slender Man, Ben Drowned, and the rest are not real, so aren't going to take it personally, plus, they are not so great to the rest of the world who are non-fandom.

The-Metal-Maniac: This isn't too surprising (and kinda expected), but the power tripping mods at the CP wiki have deleted Jeff the Killer, one of the most iconic pastas, from the CP Wiki as of 2:26, Feb 7 2014 UTC, due to it's poor quality!

Ocean Elf: Uh, do I really need to go into why it is poor quality?

And you accuse the mods of being power-tripping when the character Jeff is far worse? Hypocrite. Why is it okay for Jeff to be a power-tripping lout, but not okay for mods at a wiki site to remove substandard content?

The-Metal-Maniac: I sense a lot of outrage toward those elitist jackasses in the near future.

Ocean Elf: Uh, removing substandard content from a site, even if it is just a CP wiki, is not elitist. You aren't just sensing outrage, you're feeling it.

The-Metal-Maniac: Seriously, I get that Jeff the Killer was't the best written pasta (that's a given, considering it was supposedly originally in Spanish), but if they're deleting the creepypasta that's central to Creepypasta's greatest icon (2nd greatest if you factor in the Slenderverse subgenre), then LOLSKELETONS and the rest of the mods are out of their hamgoddemn minds.

Ocean Elf: You say "iconic". I say notorious. So I'm not exactly feeling your pain here.

The-Metal-Maniac: EDIT:

Apparently they've booted Jeff off to his own wiki 'because of it's poor quality',

Ocean Elf: Really, I thought Jeff got his own wiki right along with Slender Man because the fandom all have their heads so far up Slendy's and Jeff's butts that it wouldn't do for them to be merely on the main CP wiki.

Okay, cringe-worthy as it is seeing those characters have their own wikis, I like this reason better than my original theory. Makes it a lot more bearable.

The-Metal-Maniac: and then have the gall to say that their 'Jeff the Killer Wiki' was made because Jeff "is the most famous and influential creepypasta of all time", and they're giving him 'his own special place in their "network"'.

Ocean Elf: Which was my original theory after all. *Cringe* And you're not satisfied with that. Why am I not surprised? 🙄

The-Metal-Maniac: blast YOU CREEPYPASTA WIKI. YOU REALLY THINK THAT'S GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE FORGIVE ALL THE CRAP YOU'VE DONE RECENTLY?

Ocean Elf: Oh wow, I sense a fan-brat tantrum coming up.

Maybe this is all a wake-up call after those Slender stabbings. If the CP wiki management is finally doing something to discourage fan-tards from running amok on their site, more power to them.

The-Metal-Maniac: REPOST THIS AND SPREAD THE WORD!

Ocean Elf: OMG! Another chain letter! Lol, this is too funny!

The-Metal-Maniac: Read the IMPORTANT NOTE at the bottom of the entry.

Ocean Elf: Read it? Sure. Think it's important? Uh, not so much.

The-Metal-Maniac: EDIT II:

mrangrydog: was already working on a wiki called Creepypasta Land Wiki to replace the craphole that is CPWiki, so go there if you want to post your stories, not to the scum that is CPWiki!

Ocean Elf: Thanks for the warning, I don't write creepy pastas, and don't like MrAngryDog or his notorious Jane The Killer. So I won't be visiting that wiki any time soon.

The-Metal-Maniac: EDIT III:

The-Metal-Maniac: Here's a quote from ClericofMadness, the CPWiki's founder, on his take on whole thing (quoting directly from the comments in this journal):

Undeleted. The reason for this story to be deleted was utter nonsense. While the sheer volume and majority of JtK clones or spinoff/piggybacking stories are utter garbage (AND THEY ARE DON'T EVEN PRETEND THEY AREN'T) the original is still a well-established piece of internet horror fiction.

It's like the MAIN THING THE WIKI AIMS TO PRESERVE.

If you're reading this...do not delete any more WELL-ESTABLISHED stories. While new stories may be faulted for grievous errors, deleting well-established pieces of fiction because you do not like them or because they spawn crappy spinoffs is

I N T E R N E T C E N S O R S H I P.

Don't do that.

Ocean Elf: Huh?

It isn't censorship, and there's no need to shout. Just because it is gone from one site doesn't mean it can't be on another.

And well established doesn't mean good.

The-Metal-Maniac: Now, Cleric doesn't get the final word on what goes on in that wiki (That's a community-driven thing). However, it's still interesting to see what the man responsible for creating the site in the first place has to say on the matter.

Ocean Elf: Yeah, I'm confused.

The-Metal-Maniac: IMPORTANT NOTE:

Ocean Elf: Oh, here it comes.

The-Metal-Maniac: As of Tuesday, February 11th, 2014 5:05 AM PST, the Jeff the Killer creepypasta has been restored to the main Creepypasta wiki by the wiki admin Lil' Miss Rarity.

Ocean Elf: Ugh. Miss - "Rarity" MLP. *Cringe*

The-Metal-Maniac: I don't know why she did it, but I'm just happy to see that one of the most well-known creepypastas (as mediocre as the writing is) is back on the CP wiki where it belongs.

Ocean Elf: And that was important? Bleh.

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StalkerNo0025 Nov 22, 2015

It's off the site again. And for flares sake- somebody take a look at what they did to JtK wiki. That site is not even an excuse to why it's not on CP wiki anymore, it's a flaring mess. If it was at least a decently managed- just take a flaring look, I'm lost for words with that site. Shame on you CP wiki, shame on you. I avoided posting my opinion about this for the longest time, and hell- it was flaring forever since I read something other on that site other than discussion about removal of Creppypasta classics.

blast it, going over to the MrAngryDog's Creepypasta Land wiki. Thank you for letting me know that somebody made another site- I was starting to think about making it myself. Well, maybe I'll do my own JtK wiki...

I just hope it Creepypasta Land will be a site...CSI Miami ... to kill for. As was once CP wiki.

Ocean Elf: Blah.

ednoahjones Oct 14, 2015

Stop getting mad

Ocean Elf: No kidding.

Spooky-skeletons Aug 20, 2015 Professional Traditional Artist

Honestly I'm glad it's on trollpasta now, where it belongs

Ocean Elf: Hahahaha!

CKninjaboy Edited Dec 17, 2015 Hobbyist Digital Artist

Rightfully in its place alongside Deth Trumpet.

I don't get all the weird infatuation with creepypasta characters.

Ocean Elf: Oh! Wow, common sense at last! Woo-hoo! I hope there are more comments like these!

TheFallenSniper Oct 2, 2015

Agreed.

Jeff was a crappy pasta to begin with, and all the fangirls/fanboys made it worse.

Ocean Elf: No kidding!

He needs a foefiction.

pscheurman Jun 19, 2015

Jeff the Killer was quite literally the worst story on that site, almost unchallenged, since Sonic.EXE was deleted. I'm not exaggerating or joking. It made no since logically (Bleach isn't flammable, Being burned doesn't give you superpowers), It was a grammatical train wreck, it was a story that was not only, unscary poorly written trash, but it was actively harmful to creepypastas and literature. If we say, THIS is the standard, then people will try to aspire to written pure garbage. It was never good, it was never scary and it was almost literally all reliant on that poor photoshop job. That, Squidward's Suicide, Sonic.exe and other stories like that SHOULD be deleted permanently. Those stories are an insult to written word. Goodbye, Good riddance

And remember, because I don't want my point to be taken the wrong way, you are not stupid for liking the story, the story is just, by all measures off quality very poor. You can like something of poor quality and it doesn't make you stupid or wrong.

StalkerNo0025 Nov 22, 2015

you know he was also soaked with alcohol, right? quote " “What’s funny,” he said, “Is that you’re covered in bleach and alcohol.” Jeff’s eyes widened as Keith threw the lighter at him. As soon as the flame made contact with him, the flames ignited the alcohol in the vodka.".

Ocean Elf: Oh, brother, do I really have to do this? *Sigh* Okay, here goes.

rubbish. It takes a lot longer for bleach to effect something, and it doesn't actually bleach your skin, turning it a different colour, unless you soak yourself in it for a ridiculous amount of time.

Alcohol and bleach setting him on fire? Uh no. That would be the oxygen and the match. Alcohol's evaporated. If he's on fire, I doubt he's just walking anywhere. He'd be running, or if he had the presence of mind and the ability to put it into practice, the stop, drop and roll to put the fire out. Much easier said than done I'm sure. But this "walking inferno" business is bull.

nibbles7192 May 14, 2015

It's been deleted, again.

Gohan-Uchiha Feb 20, 2015 Hobbyist General Artist

I think ClericofMadness is a cool guy, but this story deserved to be deleted, as there was nothing special or scary about it on a site for internet horror stories.

IAmLexeh Jan 2, 2015 Hobbyist Traditional Artist

What is saddening is that even though Cleric stood up for the creepypasta that has the 2nd most iconic character of all time in the CP fandom they still deleted it. I'm afraid to see what this wiki and fandom is coming to. I think even quite a few people left the fandom after the incident. It also makes me sad and a little hurt to see the first story I ever read in creepypasta to be put in such a humiliating position on the Trollpasta wiki. And I know I sound insensitive which I am really but I could really careless if that picture was photoshopped just to make fun of somebody. Also I don't really know why anybody would make the picture look that horrifying just to make fun off someone so I don't even believe in that story or theory that people tell about it. But then again I wouldn't be surprised by it. I think they might probably undelete it in the future but I'm not very forgiving and I hold grudges on a lot of things.

Ocean Elf: Nice to know you have such a winning personality. Pardon me for not wanting to be buddy buddies with you. Eww, disgusting.

No, Jeff The Killer was never an image of a girl. The story about the bullied girl being Jeff's image is a stupid 4chan hoax..

Jeff started off as a face mask.

Having the fandom decrease is the best thing that could happen. Having it fade/die out altogether would be even better. But that's just my opinion. I hate Jeff The Killer. I don't like fandoms. So...Yeah, I'm completely cool with humiliating Jeff. If that ticks off his fangirls, too bad so sad.

Dusk-deerfluff Jan 12, 2015 Hobbyist Artist

It's been back up if you seen..

IAmLexeh Jan 15, 2015 Hobbyist Traditional Artist

Well I just looked at it a few days ago and I didn't see it .-.

Dusk-deerfluff Jan 15, 2015 Hobbyist Artist

there's a link at the end of the journal. I think they like made a totally new link to it or something.

IAmLexeh Jan 18, 2015 Hobbyist Traditional Artist

Oh okay thank you.

Dusk-deerfluff Jan 18, 2015 Hobbyist Artist

your welcome.

StalkerNo0025 Nov 22, 2015

No they deleted it again. Seriously, when you open that link, click on "Latest version".

Dusk-deerfluff Nov 22, 2015 Hobbyist Artist

It's still there?? I literally just opened the link, don't know why

you can't see it. It might be blocked for you.

Kitty-BootPoots Edited Jan 1, 2015

Im a creepypasta fan but, don't think I'm a hater.

If you've never seen the background from the story it's actually based off a photoshopped version of a girl that committed suicide from a bully. The bullies photoshopped her face even the website (4chan DONT VISIT THE WEBSITE) and got a lot of hate, I think it's a good thing to take it off because it's basically about bullying and some nude thing.

Besides the whole thing will get old anyway....... We got a lot of Mary Sues from it all... I think the girls ould be glad to not be considered an insane murderer that kills his own family.

Edit: If I can find it I'll give you the link to the info if you'd like me to.

Ocean Elf: *Sigh* No, that freaking story is a hoax! See here!

TheAdorkableNerd Oct 13, 2014 Hobbyist Digital Artist

I'm personally glad they deleted it. If he was an icon, so what? I'd rather have no icon at all then a crap icon that gives me and my community a bad name. It's like either having Foodfight! as your team mascot or having no mascot at all, you get where I'm going at? And you have yet to explain how they are 'elitists', are you sure you know what this means?

Ocean Elf: I read comments like this and feel suddenly happy.

SpikeTheCat666 Sep 14, 2014

I don't like Jeff the Killer as much as everyone else but that was pretty crappy of CPWIKI to do

Ocean Elf: No, it wasn't. Suck it up.

Enemom Edited Jul 17, 2014 Hobbyist Writer

thank goodness ! So glad that happened!

forgot to explain why : "they aren't "elitist" for deleting a bad story. From a wrieter's point of view, it's terrible. And, MrAngryDog is worse because his wiki is crap and he is a potential pedophile in asking girls for nudes while drunk and by sexualizing women and lesbians.

Ocean Elf: Eww! That doesn't surprise me since this is how he reacts to criticism of his precious Jane the Killer.

if i wanted to get your two cents worth, i would reach for the take-a-penny tray.

as far as your useless rant goes, that's your period talking.

i don't trust anything that bleeds for seven days and doesn't die."

Gohan-Uchiha Feb 20, 2015 Hobbyist General Artist

Not sure about that, though he is a Nazi fetishist piece of crap.

Ocean Elf: Eww! What gave you that idea? Curious minds want to know.

Ajones123 Nov 8, 2014

What? MrAngryDog doesn't do that. Speak for yourself.

Ocean Elf: Well that was lame.

Enemom Nov 8, 2014 Hobbyist Writer

??????

you literally do not know him.

Ocean Elf: I literally don't want to know him either.

Ajones123 Nov 8, 2014

Yea I do

skyclawthewolf Aug 19, 2014 Student Digital Artist

Hope you don't mind me asking this but is there evidence that MrAngryDog is a potential pedophile or asking girls for nudes?

Ocean Elf: If the girl is under age, that's pedo. Pervy no matter what age. But yes, I'd like to know if there is any proof of this claim.

MrShuffleDeck Jun 12, 2014

And It was a brony..XD

Ocean Elf: Eww. Again, not surprising.

Kiasuboy Feb 9, 2014 Student Photographer

creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Thr…

MrShuffleDeck May 13, 2014

Sounds like this is becoming what I for seen a battle of ideals..

Kiasuboy Feb 9, 2014 Student Photographer

Read the link above its pretty much shocking :P the-metal-maniac:

Ocean Elf: I have. There's nothing shocking about it. Seems to me the wiki has come up with a very good solution to the problems, which seemed to be caused in the first place by Jeff and Slender fangirls.

The-Metal-Maniac Feb 9, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

Yeah, I've been keeping an eye on that thread ever since ClericofMadness, the founder of CP wiki, commented on this journal yesterday. Like you said, it's rather shocking what I've seen so far.

Ocean Elf: I'm not a fangirl, so, don't find it shocking at all.

Kiasuboy Feb 9, 2014 Student Photographer

Oh yes, did you get a glimpse of what the creator of Jeff the killer said?

Ocean Elf: Sesseur is the creator of JTK. I don't recall seeing him on that thread.

The-Metal-Maniac Feb 10, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

Wait, who's claiming to be Jeff's creator? Last I checked, Jeff the Killer's creator is still unknown (and has been for years), so I'm incredibly skeptical of anyone that makes such a bold claim.

Ocean Elf: Bold? It might be an honest, or a dishonest claim. But bold? No. 🙄 Jeff fan. *Pfft* See Jeff's origins here.

Kiasuboy Feb 11, 2014 Student Photographer

Jeff is also back into CP for some unknown reason. Not sure if temp.

Kiasuboy Feb 10, 2014 Student Photographer

In the CP chat, I heard rumors that the creator was just "OK" with it. I'm not sure if its true, but I'm investigating about it more myself.

Kiasuboy Feb 11, 2014 Student Photographer

^Ignore this. Its not even authentic anyway

PrincessxCallie Feb 9, 2014 Hobbyist Writer

Why? Because it isn't just his wiki? Because decisions were made that you don't like?

We handed you your own wiki. No quality standards, nothing like that. It's practically all yours. We aren't going to sit there and say we liked it, or that it was good, but we're giving you a gift here.

Ocean Elf: *Aplauds* You tell those cry-babies.

The-Metal-Maniac Feb 9, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

You know for a bunch of mods who don't care what anyone in the dA community thinks of you, you sure are turning up a lot.

And why what? Why am I shocked about what I'm seeing? Simple: clericofmadness founded the bloody Creepypasta Wiki.

From where I stand as a Creepypasta writer, cleric's word > every admin in the place.

You seem to be under the impression that the wiki is more than an archive. I'm going to be rather blunt when I say this: you are wrong. So what if a community's grown around the wiki? It is STILL an archive. That is only reason the CP Wiki exists in the first place. You can have your perfectionist quality standards for the new content, but you don't destroy ancient manuscripts (in this case, the big-name famous pastas) in order to make room for new material.

And no, the"JtK Wiki" is NOT a gift.

To quote the front page of that pathetic excuse for a wiki:

"Not only is it a place for Jeffpasta, but it's a place where there is no restriction on spin-offs, inspired-bys or roleplaying."

Sounds to me like the JtKWiki is a virtual landfill where CPWiki is trying to dump everything vaguely tied to Jeff (and therefore must be crap) so they don't have to deal with the iconic killer (or his knockoffs) ever again, not a 'gift', as you call it.

Ocean Elf: "Waaaaaah! Waaaaaaah! Boo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo!" Oh, you poor, pooooooooooor bay-beeeeeeeeee! egads, what a whiny brat. Please, shut up! Jef got dumped. End of the world for you. sheesh, deal with it and suck it up.

Things don't have to stick around just because they're old. Old trash is as bad as new trash. and in the case of your precious Jeff, he keeps spawning more new trash thanks to his stupid fangirls.

gigazankoos Feb 11, 2014

Hi, this is Agnerstein, one of the current mods of the CPWC. I couldn't help but see that you people are still complaining about something that had happened. No offense at all, but gads help me if I'm going to sit here and listen to your dirtpoor excuse for a debate. EVERYWHERE, there are people that are for something, against something, or see both sides of it. And, No offense to Cleric, he's a great guy, but, he doesn't have the last word. From what I have seen, he does NOT like to take things single-handedly, but rather, makes discussions and threads so other users, mods, admins, Bcrats, and VCROC, can have a say. THE COMMUNITY gets the final word, on whether or not something like this gets deleted, but even then, a lot of people are against the idea of deleting something that brought new people to the CPWiki in the first place.

Ocean Elf: Exactly.

PrincessxCallie Feb 11, 2014 Hobbyist Writer

Let's get one thing clear. The founder has no more say in a wiki than I do. Wikis are community projects.

And so something allows roleplaying, it's immediately a landfill? blast logic, right?

And yes, the wiki IS more than just an archive. If it were not, it wouldn't ALLOW that new content. Get your facts straight.

Ocean Elf: Here, here!

The-Metal-Maniac Feb 11, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

I had response written up for this and then my computer decided to die on me. So I'll keep it simple:

- I know Cleric has no more say in the wiki than you. I was stating an opinion, not a fact. I simply treat his word with more weight than yours because he's been around longer than you and has more experience as a creepypasta writer.

Ocean Elf: So, who's being elitist now?

The-Metal-Maniac: - An archive is a collection of information. The CP Wiki is a collection of creepypastas (information), so no, it's still primarily an archive, whether you want to admit it or not.

Ocean Elf: who cares?

The-Metal-Maniac: Of course, this entire argument is now moot since Lil' Miss Rarity decided to put Jeff the Killer back up on the wiki again.

clericofmadness Feb 8, 2014 Professional Writer

Undeleted. The reason for this story to be deleted was utter nonsense. While the sheer volume and majority of JtK clones or spinoff/piggybacking stories are utter garbage (AND THEY ARE DON'T EVEN PRETEND THEY AREN'T) the original is still a well-established piece of internet horror fiction.

It's like the MAIN THING THE WIKI AIMS TO PRESERVE.

If you're reading this...do not delete any more WELL-ESTABLISHED stories. While new stories may be faulted for grievous errors, deleting well-established pieces of fiction because you do not like them or because they spawn crappy spinoffs is

I N T E R N E T C E N S O R S H I P.

Don't do that.

Ocean Elf: That was already posted somewhere above.

The-Metal-Maniac Feb 8, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

First things first: holy crap, I never thought the founder of Creepypasta Wiki would weigh in on this.

Ocean Elf: Oh please. Calm the hex down.

The-Metal-Maniac: Now with that shock out of the way, thank you so much for (re-)stating the original purpose of the wiki. I always viewed Creepypasta Wiki as an archive for the original creepypasta stories. Granted, I'm guilty of posting a few of my own creepypastas to the wiki sometime last year in order to get them out in public view and recognized, but that was back when I felt like having my stories on the Creepypasta wiki was important at the time.

But I have to agree, trying to erase the past because you fear the future does amount to censorship, especially when the definition of quality control happens to differ from most Creepypasta readers/writers on the Internet.

Mind if I quote this comment and add it to the journal entry?

Ocean Elf: 🙄 And we all know that removing old crummy content from *ONE SITE* means "CENSORSHIP" which is like the biggest crime against all of humanity!

Get a grip, people!

The more I read from you, the more I dislike you.

clericofmadness Feb 10, 2014 Professional Writer

Go for it.

Also I haven't quit. I'm just one (loud) voice in a large community.

Looks like everyone else is going to get their way. I'm just letting them know they are on a dangerous and slippery slope. They are deleting a genre-defining piece of fiction. They can debate how it's such a terrible one or how poorly written it is, but the fact of the matter is it is a definitive piece of what makes internet horror fiction inspiring and terrifying, its fanbase aside.

I am not going to waste my time trying to argue with the majority of my website's community. Unless someone puts up a poll and an overwhelming majority votes to keep JtK, this issue is probably going to be closed.

MasterPhantasos Feb 10, 2014

I give up on this site

MAking maria a b'crat was the worst thing I had ever done

She is unstoppable and it's up to you guys to report her to staff if she continues to go against the site rules by not involving the community on site decisions.

- Andrew Movitz, Saturday, February 08, 2014 12:56 PM

Ocean Elf: What the ruddy hex are you prattling on about?

clericofmadness Feb 10, 2014 Professional Writer

This is one message from a series of frustrated messages I sent to Ming, but thanks for taking things out of context like that. This is one of the reasons we cannot have nice things on the internet.

Ocean Elf: Fandoms tend to ruin nice things, but creepy pasta isn't nice to start with... So...

MasterPhantasos Feb 11, 2014

I'm not sure how it's supposed to be out of context enough to warrant dismissal. And yes, your headupownbutt (edit) is indeed one of the reasons why we cannot have nice things on the internet.

Another thing- how about you see if you can pull yourself up to Cheese's level and quit it with what's basically LEAVIN FOREVERRRR nonsense? For flares sake son, it's bad enough a young genderqueer brony is 2spooky4u!

Ocean Elf: Get a life.

clericofmadness Feb 10, 2014 Professional Writer

Wat.

clericofmadness Feb 8, 2014 Professional Writer

And ye gods don't try to tell me it's because of quality issues. Slender Man is still up.

Ocean Elf: And he shouldn't be.

* * *

If it wasn't clear before, it is now

by The-Metal-Maniac, Jan 20, 2014, 5:07:27 PM

The-Metal-Maniac: The CreepyPasta Wiki is now a complete craphole, and LOLSKELETONS and his pack of sycophantic admins are officially the self-proclaimed kings of crap.

Ocean Elf: No, you are the queen of bratty whinge.

And I'm really sick of you fandom idiots tossing that word 'sycophant' around. Nobody actually uses it in everyday English. It makes you sound like stuffy elitist crapheads trying to impress readers with big words.

You seem to be a pretty big sycophant of that Cleric guy anyway.

The-Metal-Maniac: Let's see, over the past couple months, they've (mostly LOLSKELETONS) deleted numerous pastas because they didn't meet their standards, including DeluCat's Bloody Painter, and Luciiid's Clockwork pastas [the latter of which was justified by declaring Clockwork a Jeff ripoff]. Not even the older pastas were safe, either getting shunted over to the dungheap called trollpasta (which they don't even flarING LINK TO ON THE CP WIKI) in the case of Sonic.exe, or in the case of Happy Appy, deleted outright. And apparently they've kicked Jeff the Killer vs. Slenderman down to the Spinpasta Wiki as well.

Ocean Elf: Awwww, poor, miserable you.

I'm pretty sure your beloved Jeff and Slender Man don't care.

The-Metal-Maniac: And now LOLSKELETONS has gone and done it again. This time they deleted MrAngryDog' Jane the Killer (the original Jane the Killer pasta) from the wiki. To add insult to injury, PastaStalker64's knock-off prequel version of Jane the Killer, "Jane the Killer: the Real Story", is still on the wiki.

Ocean Elf: Because it's a hex of a lot better as far as pastas go. So cry about it.

The-Metal-Maniac: WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. flare.

Ocean Elf: Oh, wow, another show of fan-brat falling apart.

The-Metal-Maniac: Why the he|| would you delete Jane's original pasta, but keep the knock-off (if well-intentioned) pasta "The Real Story", which just creates confusion between when they read/hear (the noncanon) Jeff the Killer vs. Jane the Killer?

Ocean Elf: That's the second time you've plugged something from MrAngryDog, I guess you're his sycophant, too.

Look, I'm not even a fan, but I eventually cleared up the confusion between the two Janes on my own for the foefiction I'm co-writing. If I can do that, so can actual pasta fans. They should be willing to put in a lot more effort to research characters they actually love, than someone like me, who has to do enough to write a foefiction.

The-Metal-Maniac: Either both should stay up, or both should go down!

Ocean Elf: Well that isn't up to you.

The-Metal-Maniac: Ugh... I swear, the admins of that wiki have lost their hamgoddemn minds. I won't be surprised if those perfectionist jackasses end up deleting Ticci Toby's and Laughing Jack's pastas without explanation. It's just how those self-righteous moron roll these days.

Ocean Elf: Oh, dry up. Ticci is a huge Gary Stu, and his creator had more than his share of drama thanks to fan-brats. As for Laughing Jack *Scowl* that story is so disgusting and infuriating that it made me want to kick in some walls. Besides, who needs more creepy clowns? Another stupid meme mythos that needs to die in a fire.

The-Metal-Maniac: Seriously, spread the word about the outrageous shenanigans by the admins.

Ocean Elf: Hah! Another chain letter!

Prawnty Oct 14, 2015

Do you know what self-proclaimed means?

ednoahjones Oct 14, 2015

stop getting mad

Ocean Elf: Haha!

ChaoticTempleKnight Feb 2, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

I think it's dumb that they are deleting these pastas. My question is "What is the big deal?" So what if a pasta is based off another or it sounds like a different genre of pasta? A creepypasta is a creepypasta, plain and simple.

You won't see me removing pasta's at my group. I welcome all pasta's.

Ocean Elf: Well bully for you.

MasterPhantasos Jan 24, 2014

Uh, it's been like that for awhile. And I feel bad for you if you're that upset about actual quality control, considering that all of the pastas listed are probably completely terrible. I'm legitimately curious as to what enrages you so much about a bunch of internet nonsense and what makes it worthy of flipping out over, say, actual injustice. I have a feeling I won't get much of an answer, if one at all.

Ocean Elf: No crap?! The reason is these are fandom idiots. Not just casual fans of something. Fan-brats who go to pieces when someone doesn't like their favourite thing.

The-Metal-Maniac Jan 24, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

"...considering that all of the pastas listed are probably completely terrible."

Does the phrase "don't judge a book by it's cover" mean anything to you? Seriously, it's kinda stupid to assert that a person's work is terrible just because an admin deleted it.

And sorry, but I have to call bullcrap on "actual quality control", for two reasons.

First, nothing created in this world exists in a vacuum (we're all influenced by something or other to a certain extent, even if we don't realize it), so attempting to force people to be original with their CreepyPastas by having rules that are overly broad only stifles the creativity that this community thrives on and keeps it from going stale/dying off. The biggest offender I've seen so far is their "spinoff/Jeff-inspired stories" rule, which can, in theory, cover most of the original characters in the Pasta genre who have a human background. Case in point, Clockwork's pasta was deleted because an admin decided that it was a "Jeff-inspired" story, when it had been up there for a long time with no complaints whatsoever.

Secondly, they don't apply the rules equally. As I mentioned in the journal, they deleted the original Jane the Killer pasta, yet for some reason left up the knock-off "Jane the Killer: The Real Story". Now, if we apply their "anti-Jeff-inspired story/Jeff formula" rule to both pastas, obviously they both would be in violation of that rule. However, in terms of which story is the bigger offender, "Jane the Killer: The Real Story" takes the cake because it inserts Jane Arkensaw into the storyline of the original Jeff the Killer creepypasta, which is pretty much Mary Sue standard operating procedure.

So why the he|| is one pasta, which is a clearly a Mary-Sue story/borderline self-insert story, still up on the wiki, while the original pasta gets deleted without explanation?

As for being 'enraged about a bunch of internet nonsense" over 'actual injustice', that's a red herring and irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Ocean Elf: In other words, you really don't give a demn about injustice because you're too busy being incensed over stupid fictional characters and their stupid stories.

Jeff is a Gary Stu. Both Janes are Mary Sues, but Jane Richardson is a much bigger Sue than Arkensaw on the super powers scale.

As for "don't judge a book" that doesn't even apply here. It's the red herring.

MasterPhantasos Jan 25, 2014

>Does the phrase “don’t judge a book by it’s cover” mean anything to you? Seriously, it’s kinda stupid to assert that a person’s work is terrible just because an admin deleted it.

I didn’t assert that they did, merely said they probably were terrible enough to get deleted. Can't you read? It's right there. Having experience in the deletion process, I also have good reason to believe the deletions were totally justified anyhow.

>attempting to force people to be original with their CreepyPastas by having rules that are overly broad only stifles the creativity that this community thrives on and keeps it from going stale/dying off.

Problem is, that’s not at all what’s happening, or at least in a not-insignificant number of cases. There’s no creativity whatsoever for so many of the stories being uploaded- literally you got loads of “xyz the Killer” or yet another Slenderman/BEN story/sequel, which is why it was created in the first place. Also, considering the vast number of horrible stories remaining on the site, it's not like they're very good at being "perfectionists".

>The biggest offender I've seen so far is their "spinoff/Jeff-inspired stories" rule, which can, in theory, cover most of the original characters in the Pasta genre who have a human background.

It only works in theory if they're obviously part of either and the majority are of those. But more importantly: If you're inspired by a story as awful as Jeff the Killer or aim to write a spinoff (important: of a popular story that presumably has been done to death), what does that say? What can be predicted about its quality?

As mentioned, these stories were almost invariably trash and the psyop number was too limited to handle the weekly influx on a site that from what I understand has had MILLIONS of viewers and god knows how many posters.

>Case in point, Clockwork’s pasta was deleted because an admin decided that it was a “Jeff-inspired” story, when it had been up there for a long time with no complaints whatsoever.

Of course it had been, because there’s too many pastas for such a small psyop base to check (assistance from the userbase isn't as common as one would hope) and because Jeff-inspired stories weren’t in the crosshairs as much as now, if ever. Skelly's initiative doesn't seem to be particularly new by itself; I recall various other deletion waves going on before this. The only difference is that lots of loud and stupid people have gotten their feefees hurt.

>So why the he|| is one pasta, which is a clearly a Mary-Sue story/borderline self-insert story, still up on the wiki, while the original pasta gets deleted without explanation?

Not sure about the explanation part (though I imagine it's because it sucked an awful lot). As for the inconsistency- because they're idiots. Doesn't prevent the deletion of crappy stories from being quality control. I can't believe I have to explain this.

>As for being 'enraged about a bunch of internet nonsense" over 'actual injustice', that's a red herring and irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Hardly. Your blogpost was not only largely wrong, it was about a matter that's not even worthy of getting so furious about. Like I said, there's actual injustice out there that needs to be brought to attention (you should know about at least SOME). Even if it actually did distract from the topic, ask yourself this: given how things have turned out, is keeping yourself on this dumb focus post's message really so vital? Is the 'distraction' really such a bad idea?

The-Metal-Maniac Jan 25, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

Guess what: if I were going to write about 'actual injustices', I'd write about them in another journal. However, those 'injustices' are not important to the general Creepypasta community. An admin that, in the eyes of a large portion of the community[or as you refer to them in an ad hominem-style fashion, "loud and stupid people"], is on a power trip, deleting pastas on a whim for no apparent reason other than "because I said so", is important. So yeah, my journal entry's completely valid, thank you very much.

Although now that I think about it, trying to explain myself to you is like trying to explain things to a brick wall, because apparently you believe your interpretation of what makes a good Creepypasta is the one true viewpoint on the whole matter, and anyone who thinks differently is, to quote you from Requiem-of-Ice's journal entry when Sonic.exe got booted overto that repugnant excuse for a wiki, Trollpasta, "completely flaring stupid."

Here's a friendly reminder: people will have different views than you on what 'quality control' is. To act like they're butthurt idiots is, to be frank, arrogant, and insulting them makes you look like a self-important jackass.

In other words, yes, this post's message is vital, despite your opinion (which you're perfectly entitled to have. Just don't expect everyone to agree with it).

Ocean Elf: Oh sure, your journal entry is valid in the sense that it's a perfect display of fan-brattery. You refuse to accept that the admins deleted your favourite pasta and you're all bend out of shape over it. That's all.

Your post isn't vital to anyone but yourself. It's just a big whine, and it's not as if you're guiltless of calling insults either.

Like it or not, the admins will decide what passes for quality on their own site. Take your own advice and realize that they don't have to agree with you and do things your way. Or at least be honest and admit you can't. Your incessant whining and trying to get in the last word proves this.

"Guess what: if I were going to write about 'actual injustices', I'd write about them in another journal. However, those 'injustices' are not important to the general Creepypasta community."

Nooooo kidding! Injustices are not important to creepy pasta fandoms. Lol What an admission.

MasterPhantasos Jan 26, 2014

>Guess what: if I were going to write about ‘actual injustices’, I’d write about them in another journal. However, those ‘injustices’ are not important to the general Creepypasta community.

So you're continuing to stick to defending a mostly-wrong topic for community that is incredibly self-centered and heartless enough to not care about injustice, and is supposed to be comprised of people who are solely unjustifiably upset about Skeleton's baleetion (aka, the Sonic.EXE fandom), according to you. Try rephrasing or see if you can impress me more. THE POWER IS YOURS~

Ocean Elf: Woo-hoo! *Applauds* Oh! Well said! *High5* Here, here!

MasterPhantasos >An admin that, in the eyes of a large portion of the community[or as you refer to them in an ad hominem-style fashion, “loud and stupid people”],

It's actually not ad hominem style at all. To be ad hominem, it would have to be an attack on their character or traits to undermine an argument and completely irrelevant. Since my argument involves you and others acting like idiots (the whole point is your almost impossibly horrific misinterpretation of the events)it isn't off topic to declare all of you idiots. It is however an insult, but see below.

>is on a power trip, deleting pastas on a whim for no apparent reason other than “because I said so”, is important. So yeah, my journal entry’s completely valid, thank you very much.

It was already explained why those pastas were deleted. If you really have that much of an issue with them you should... oh, I don't know, stop posting here for a moment and actually ask them as to why and use your debating skills and intelligence (You do have some, right?) to get that to change. If you don't succeed, at least you tried, I suppose. You clearly cared enough to post some comment on ImGonnaBeThatGuy's thread, so you don't have much of an excuse. Do you have a hate obsession (edit) for me or something?

>Although now that I think about it, trying to explain myself to you is like trying to explain things to a brick wall,

That applies more to you. Sorry.

>because apparently you believe your interpretation of what makes a good Creepypasta is the one true viewpoint on the whole matter, and anyone who thinks differently is, to quote you from Requiem-of-Ice’s journal entry when Sonic.exe got booted overto that repugnant excuse for a wiki, Trollpasta, “completely flaring stupid.”

Hahaha what?? It was invective and obviously only directed to the people flipping out over a story being transferred (OH THE HUMANITY) to see if they'd make further asses out of themselves, but since you and quite literally every single defender of Sonic.EXE that I've seen are apparently idiots who could not make a convincing argument for preserving it for your lives, there seems to be truth to that after all! Keep it up.

>Here’s a friendly reminder: people will have different views than you on what ‘quality control’ is. To act like they’re butthurt idiots is, to be frank, arrogant, and insulting them makes you look like a self-important jackass.

Orrrr maybe you have yet to prove it isn't quality control. Do you have different views on where the Amazon Rainforest is located? and the people who were whining over it and, surprise surprise, were the only ones I'm really against on this matter, ARE butthurt idiots. Can you honestly even for a moment pretend that someone crying bloody murder and talking about retribution over A STORY BEING DELETED AND TRANSFERRED is not seriously hurt and an idiot? I even have a collection of their greatest craps in case you somehow missed out on their headupownbutt and seriously want evidence that they're bad... which I SOMEHOW doubt. Please keep associating yourself with cretins!

Have you even seen the creator’s reaction: furaffinity.net/journal (Page not found or cached)

He is the epitome of rational discussion and reactions. His fans are the same way. I, for one, am not surprised at all that they have behaved in this manner, considering the personalities seem pretty similar. Like attract like, especially when the quality is so absurdly low and limited to a few audiences (if even that)? Who could have imagined?! :ooooooo

Ocean Elf: Ugh. Url makes me cringe.

Tycholarfero Jan 25, 2014

Except it's completely reasonable. I don't think the best course of action would be to respond with unbridled rage. Jeff, calm down, the other story will be removed without hassle. It's a spinoff anyway. Also, be glad. Every story they've removed so far was crap. Sonic.Exe, Jane, and all those other really terrible ones. He||, they might be posted on TP or somewhere else, don't get your panties in a crutch, people who post there don't even make money or change lives off their work.

The-Metal-Maniac Jan 26, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

facepalmplz:

Ocean Elf: Oh, crikey! 🙄 Grow the heck up!

The-Metal-Maniac: Looks I have to repeat myself. People have different standards for what makes a good Creepypasta. You think all the ones they've removed are crap. I (along with several others) have a different opinion on the matter.

Ocean Elf: Listen!

I - don't - give - a - crap!

The point is, the admins get to decide for themselves what constitutes quality standards on their own site. You don't get to decide that for them. And the only time you seem to think disagreeing is some sort of crime is when someone is disagreeing with you. You talk all big about how people disagree and how quality standards are different for everybody, and then you pee yourself over stupid crap getting removed from the CP wiki.

Grow up or shut up already!

The-Metal-Maniac: The fact of the matter is, quite a few of the pastas delete/moved are treated as part of the core 'CreepyPasta lore' by a lot of people (shoddy writing be damned in Sonic.exe's case). To call the site "CreepyPasta Wiki" and then go around deleting a bunch of the older Creepypastas that a lot of newcomers first hear about when they start getting into CreepyPasta based on some self-righteous, creativity-stifling "quality standards", kinda invalidates the whole idea of the site being the CreepyPasta Wiki.

Ocean Elf: Apparently some of the admins don't agree with you there.

So get over it.

The-Metal-Maniac: As for whether or not they've been moved to Trollpasta, please don't insult my intelligence. Frankly, I'd rather have a story deleted completely than punted over to Trollpasta, where they crap on it just because they can.

Ocean Elf: So it actually just comes down to ego with you. You feel Jeff has been hurt, and in turn, you are hurt. Pathetic.

Jeff is exactly where he belongs if that's what troll pasta is.

The-Metal-Maniac: He||, you'd probably get more respect from the folks who maintain/comment over on Crappypasta than what the admins on the Wiki are doing to pastas they move over there. Perhaps that's why they don't link to Trollpasta from the main CP wiki site (that and the annoying-as-flare image they've got plastered all over the background).

Ocean Elf: Oh boo-hoo...

The-Metal-Maniac: >"people who post there don't even make money or change lives off their work."

...You're point is what exactly?

Ocean Elf: *Whizzzzz* Oh I see that went right over your head too. Oh well. Lol.

emthesmall Jan 21, 2014

well this person is an arse hold. clearly a CP fascists,

Ocean Elf: Huh? I don't know if you're talking about one person or a number of people here. Nobody is fascist. Get a grip. The fan-brats created a problem for the wiki and its content. They don't like anyone stepping in and doing anything about it. It's as simple as that. Running a site how one sees fit is not fascism. It's pretty disgusting when people get slapped with a "fascist" label just for trying to improve the quality of a site, which could only help clear up confusion about standards for newcomers.

MediatorIridescent Jan 20, 2014 Hobbyist Writer

I swear to God I do not want to have anything to do with that website. I might have before BUT I don't want to now that's for sure.

Ocean Elf: You swear to God... Over a cp web site. 🙄

Requiem-of-Ice Jan 20, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

Don't worry, a counter-measure has been employed.

Ocean Elf: Like what? A hack? A holdup? Or maybe just the threat of a knife?

pncke Jan 21, 2014

counter-measure?

i must know

we have to create a safe haven for cp's who are actually flaring good

Ocean Elf: Well, IMO most aren't good, and even the one I actually *embarrassed expression and whisper* liked, had a few problems that are exceedingly common.

But the whole point is the CP wiki admins are trying to create a safe place for "good" pastas. Too bad some of you think the really crappy ones are good. Your problem. Doesn't mean you're entitled to make it theirs.

Requiem-of-Ice Jan 21, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

It's called the Creepypasta Land Wiki; it's what AngryDog made.

Ocean Elf: 🙄 Already promoted before. Still rejected over here.

pncke Jan 21, 2014

you should send me this, creepypasta land wiki

i'm re-doing sadie's story still and i would love a decent place to post it

if people who don't ridicule and bash or treat others unfairly

Requiem-of-Ice Jan 21, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

creepypasta-land.wikia.com/wik…

Here. It's starting out...

The-Metal-Maniac Jan 20, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

Yeah, I heard about what AngryDogs is doing. Very thankful for that.

And honestly, as much as I dislike Arkensaw's story,

Ocean Elf: I figured as much.

The-Metal-Maniac: I just copied the pasta to a word doc in case LOLSKELETONS decides to delete that one too. If nothing else, the demn thing's got some legacy value to it, and should get the same respect as Happy Appy/Sonic.exe because of that fact.

Ocean Elf: Oh, do stow it already. Legacy schmegacy.

Username353 Jan 29, 2014

(Random, but I happen to be an admin over at Creepypasta Land and can help you out if you have any questions)

But I'm really upset over this too! I knew some people were having trouble with LOLSKELETONS, but deleting things like Happy Appy? Sonic.exe?

Dude, please tell me this is all just a nightmare...

Ocean Elf: You're coming unhinged over this tripe, and now there's suddenly some kind of schism - the cp wiki VS. MrAngryDog's wasteland *Lol@my autocorrect! It's p a s t a l a n d!

The-Metal-Maniac Jan 30, 2014 Hobbyist General Artist

Honestly, I understand the desire for quality from the CP Wiki. But LOLSKELETONS' actions are just beyond absurd.

Ocean Elf: No they aren't. Yours are.

The-Metal-Maniac: [As for submitting "Jane the Killer: The Real Story", looks like LOLSKELETONS finally got around to deleting that one, and kicked Jeff the Killer vs Jane the Killer down to Spinpasta Wiki (as of Monday anyway).

Ocean Elf: And that makes you sort of happy. I figured you hated Jane Arkensaw, being a sycophant (I'm going to use that word on you whenever I can) for MrAngryDog.

The-Metal-Maniac: I kinda want to submit 'Jane the Killer: TRS' to Creepypasta Land (if only because , but doubt AngryDog would allow it since he loathes Jane Arkensaw so much (or at least not without a disclaimer at the top stating that the pasta is a fan-prequel/should be treated as a separate character from the original Jane the Killer)].

Ocean Elf: Funny how you don't have a problem with that and go off half cocked, calling MrAngryDog a power-tripping, self-righteous jackass git. Even though, in all honesty, he is.

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