Nicknamed the above by another internet user, this trolling animal rights and racist fanatic, Your Nightmare uracraigslistjerk@yahoo.com and Pretty One onepretty91@yahoo.com, spammed up some mailing lists with animal rights chain letters, and sent unwanted emails with f-bombs and racist language to personal addresses.
As usual, f-bombs will be replaced with 'flare' etc.
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Date: November 17, 2008 4:18 PM
From: 💢🔅👹🤥💩Your Nightmare uracraigslistjerk@yahoo.com
Subject: ⛓✉️
To: elizabeth
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⛓✉️💢🔅🤥💩As a shelter manager, I am going to share a little insight with y'all (we need a wake up call!)...
~First, All of you breeders/sellers on craigslist should be made to work in the "back" of an animal shelter for a day; maybe if you saw the life drain out a few sad, lost and confused eyes you would change your mind about breeding and selling!
~ About 50% of all dogs that are "owner surrenders" or "strays" are purebred dogs. The most common excuses I hear are: "We are moving and can't take our dog or cat”....or...."The dog got b💣 than we thought." Where are you moving that doesn't allow pets and how big did you think a German shepherd would get!? "You don't have time?" Well I work 10-12 hour days and still have time for my 6 dogs!
~Odds are your pet won't get adopted & how stressful do you think being in a shelter is? Your pet has 72 hours to find a new family from the moment you drop it off (sometimes longer if the shelter isn't full). Your pet will be confined to a small run/kennel in a room with about 25 other barking or crying animals. If your dog or cat looks unhealthy in any way, it dies!
~If your dog is BIG, BLACK or any of the "Bully" breeds, it was pretty much dead the moment you walked it through the front door. Those dogs just don't get adopted. If your dog doesn't get adopted within 72 hours and the shelter is full, it will be DESTROYED! If the shelter isn't full and your dog is a desirable enough breed, he/she may get a stay of execution...but not for long. Most dogs get kennel protective after about a week and are destroyed for showing aggression (even the sweetest dogs will turn in this environment).
Here's a little euthanasia 101 for those of you that have never witnessed a perfectly healthy, scared animal being "put-down:"
1. Your pet will be taken from its kennel on a leash (they always think they're going for a walk and are happily wagging their tails).
2. Once the dogs/cats get to "The Room", every one of them freaks out and puts on the brakes when we get to the door. It must smell like death, but it happens with every one of them. Your dog or cat will then be restrained, held down by 1 or 2 vet techs depending on the size and how freaked out they are.
3. The euthanasia tech or a vet will start the process; they will find a vein in the front leg and inject a lethal dose of the "pink stuff". Hopefully your pet doesn't panic from being restrained and jerk (I've seen the needles tear out of a leg and been covered with the resulting blood and deafened by the yelps and screams). They all just don’t "go to sleep." Sometimes.....they spasm for a while, gasp for air and defecate themselves.
4. When it all ends, your pet's corpse will be stacked like firewood in a large freezer in the back with all of the other animals that were killed that day and waiting to be picked up.
~What happens next? Cremated? Taken to the dump? Rendered into pet food? You'll never know and it probably won't even cross your mind as it was just an animal and you can always buy another one, right?
🔆From: Indy
To: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Digest Number 1810
Can we say "spammer" and harassment?
Spoken like a good little soldier in the H$U$ army!
Ulster SPCA needs to change its procedures
Some people might not know what this is about.
An aw zealot sent several of us a private email as well as attempted to post it on this list and others, as the headers indicated, a bunch of anti-breeder, pro "Get your dog at the pound!" crap.
🔆From: Elizabeth Brinkley
To: uracraigslistjerk@yahoo.com
Cc: Indy ; sarah ; petowner ; wakanska ; doug.haldane ; smallfarmingusa ; k-9kampus@att.net ; the_hardluck_hounds@yahoo.com ; slowswimmer ; rgotte8016@charter.net ; dog_anti-rescue_ anti-peta_ new@yahoogroups.com ; sheltieoldlines@yahoogroups.com ; breederlawsandethics@yahoogroups.com ; BreederOwnerHandler@yahoogroups.com ; WPaDogBreeders@yahoogroups.com ; dogbehaviorscience@yahoogroups.com ; doglegislation@yahoogroups.com ; pet-law@yahoogroups.com ; PennDogLeg@yahoogroups.com ; PACCQ@yahoogroups.com ; ownerhandlers@yahoogroups.com ; americanssa@yahoogroups.com ; naiaandnaiatrustmembers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Digest Number 1810
I HAVE WORKED IN ANIMAL SHELTERS AND I AM A BREEDER FOR 41 YEARS AND PROUD OF WHAT I DO.
Now you go read Nathan Winograd's book "Redemption: The MYTH of Pet Overpopulation and then come back and debate with me. Until then don't bother me with your AR propaganda. I have better things to do with my time.
My apologies to the lists. I was so angry with this person, I hit reply all and send before I noticed that it was going to all the lists. I just get so tired of these sniveling cowards who attack people they don't even know anonymously with all the AR drivel. If you have an opinion, be proud of it or keep your mouth shut is my opinion g
Elizabeth
🔆From: barbara boylan barbaraboylan@yahoo.com
To: uracraigslistjerk@yahoo.com ; elizabeth
Cc: Indy ; sarah ; petowner ; wakanska ; doug.haldane ; smallfarmingusa ; k-9kampus@att.net ; the_hardluck_hounds@yahoo.com ; slowswimmer ; rgotte8016@charter.net ; dog_anti-rescue_ anti-peta_ new@yahoogroups.com ; sheltieoldlines@yahoogroups.com ; breederlawsandethics@yahoogroups.com ; BreederOwnerHandler@yahoogroups.com ; WPaDogBreeders@yahoogroups.com ; dogbehaviorscience@yahoogroups.com ; doglegislation@yahoogroups.com ; pet-law@yahoogroups.com ; PennDogLeg@yahoogroups.com ; PACCQ@yahoogroups.com ; ownerhandlers@yahoogroups.com ; americanssa@yahoogroups.com ; naiaandnaiatrustmembers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: sheltieoldlines Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Digest Number 1810
WAY TO GO ELIZABETH!!
Barbara Boylan
Louisville Metro Sheltie Rescue
#2746 🔆From: "Donna Williams" dwill@...
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:26 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Digest Number 1810 donnamariecan
That's quite alright. I enjoyed your reply Elizabeth.
So, what they are saying is that we should all stop breeding because there are some owners out there who have a change of life circumstances and can no longer keep their animals? I know that one thing you CAN count on in this life is change. We can not predict the changes that will happen to any given person in the future. Should we prevent anyone from being able to have an animal because their life MIGHT change over the next 10 or so years?
Well, I always think of it this way. Everyone stop breeding for 10-15 years. No more rabbits, no puppies, no kittens, no horses, sheep, pigs etc. All domestic breeds of animals will disappear. The geriatric pets left over won't be able to reproduce, and the ARA's will get their wish of extinction of all of our known breeds. In livestock, many heritage breeds are already extinct because commercial farming has led to a narrowing of the gene pool to certain high production breeds.
We'll probably still have dogs, because there will always be those who let out their pets to reproduce randomly. They will be nothing recognizable with no known purpose; but that is what they want, isn't it? We shouldn't be allowed to USE animals for our own purposes. The ARA's have never kept sheep, so they see no use in a herding dog. They haven't had heavy loads to carry or livestock to protect or vermin to be rid of, so they wouldn't want breeds that are specifically bred to these purposes.
I am glad you are proud to be a breeder. I am too. :-)
Donna Williams
Whistler, B.C. Canada
Snowberry Australian Shepherds,Holland Lops and American Sables and Hair Sheep (St.Croix, Dorper, Katahdin)
#1834 🔆From: jayreming
Date: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:24 pm
Subject: Re: Re: sheltieoldlines Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Digest Number 1810 ydot2reming2003
I agree, with Barbara Boylan, Elizabeth. Thank you for taking a stand.beep
Sincerely,
Judi
#2750 🔆From: Elizabeth Brinkley elizabeth
Date: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:46 pm
Subject: Re: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Digest Number 1810 torchie71
Thanks Donna. I think we need to start a grassroots movement to counter the AR groups. Maybe we could make bumper stickers "I am a Breeder of Purebred Dogs and I AM PROUD of it!"
Elizabeth Brinkley, MFA in Theatre, Legislative Liaison Dante Kennels, est. 1974, Latrobe, PA
Member - ASSA, TRSSCGP, WCOTC, OHA
#1832 🔆From: "cynsincl2002" thia904
Date: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:50 pm
Subject: The 'your nightmare posts' cynsincl2002
Please ignore this person on this list. I did not let her original message go through and wrote her back a lengthy email as to the reasons and various inaccuracies I found in her post. I do not think she is reasonable and do think she just wants to argue and fight. If anyone wants to continue the battle with her, please do not do it on this list.
Thanks.
Cynthia Moderator
#1833 🔆From: Elizabeth Brinkley elizabeth
Date: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:53 pm
Subject: Re: The 'your nightmare posts' etbmfa
Thank you Cynthia. I have blocked her email. She obviously has issues and needs to consult a professional about them. Sorry that she inadvertently ended up being posted here due to my error.
Elizabeth Brinkley,
#1835🔆🔅From: "Shirley Lawler" headmadam
Date: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:29 pm
Subject: Re: The 'your nightmare posts' headmadamshi...
You put that very nicely Elizabeth. LOL. We all make mistakes, it's human nature. You were not out of line at all.
S
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#1836 🔆From: "Shirley Lawler" headmadam
Date: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: Re: sheltieoldlines Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Digest Number 1810 headmadamshi...
See Elizabeth, even mistakes have happy endings.
S
#1839 🔆From: Elizabeth Brinkley elizabeth
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:49 am
Subject: Re: The 'your nightmare posts' etbmfa
Thank you Shirley. Sometimes being married to a psychiatrist rubs off on me G
Elizabeth
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🔅From: 💢🔅👹🤥💩Your Nightmare uracraigslistjerk@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new ⛓✉️💢🔅🤥💩
To: elizabeth@dantekennels.com
Cc: Indy, sarah3, petowner222, wakanska2003, doug.haldane, smallfarmingusa, k-9kampus@att.net, the_hardluck_hounds@yahoo.com, slowswimmer, rgotte, "dog_anti-rescue_ anti-peta_ new"@yahoogroups.com, sheltieoldlines@yahoogroups.com, breederlawsandethics@yahoogroups.com, BreederOwnerHandler@yahoogroups.com, WPaDogBreeders@yahoogroups.com, dogbehaviorscience@yahoogroups.com, doglegislation@yahoogroups.com, pet-law@yahoogroups.com, PennDogLeg@yahoogroups.com, PACCQ@yahoogroups.com, ownerhandlers@yahoogroups.com, americanssa@yahoogroups.com, naiaandnaiatrustmembers@yahoogroups.com
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⛓✉️💢🔅🤥💩Unfortunately I am one of those who really doesn't need to read to book to see the life drain out of an animal that is in a shelter.
I unfortunately am one of the ones who has to clean up the mess made by ANYONE who allows their animal to breed. That includes the accidental litter, the oops litter and the breeders litters.
So until YOU stop breeding then I will continue to state my opinion and if you don't like it, that's just do darn bad. One of the good things about living in America is that everyone is entitled to their opinion and I can freely state mine to you that are so narrowminded to think that breeding is still alright in this day and age.
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:51:48 -0800
From: Michele Smith msmith@cmscrescue.com
Subject: RE: petlaw Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Digest Number 1810
To: "pet-law@yahoogroups.com" pet-law@yahoogroups.com, Your Nightmare uracraigslistjerk@yahoo.com
Cc: "Indy", "sarah", "petowner", "wakanska", "doug.haldane", "smallfarmingusa", "k-9kampus@att.net", "the_hardluck_hounds@yahoo.com", "slowswimmer", "rgotte8016@charter.net", "dog_anti-rescue_ anti-peta_new@yahoogroups.com", "sheltieoldlines@yahoogroups.com", "breederlawsandethics@yahoogroups.com", "BreederOwnerHandler@yahoogroups.com", "WPaDogBreeders@yahoogroups.com", "dogbehaviorscience@yahoogroups.com", "doglegislation@yahoogroups.com", "PennDogLeg@yahoogroups.com", "PACCQ@yahoogroups.com", "ownerhandlers@yahoogroups.com", "americanssa@yahoogroups.com", "naiaandnaiatrustmembers@yahoogroups.com"
This "Shelter Manager" is a canned response, I've seen it elsewhere. Poster is too stupid to come up with their own response, and not motivated enough to think for themselves.
🔆From: Wakanska
To: uracraigslistjerk@yahoo.com
Cc: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Digest Number 1810
Oh, and Nightmare..
Thank you for so beautifully demonstrating the fact that there is every reason we should fight for our own rights, because there is no hope of resolution and no expectation of fair treatment when dealing with fanatics. My definition of a fanatic is one who has a fixed belief system which does not allow for the equal rights, liberties and viewpoints of others. Fanatic..If the shoe fits, wear it!
And fanatics should not be in positions of legal authority like yours, because they are in a conflict of interest with the public they serve. It would be really nice to find out who you really are, and where you really work, because your stated opinions would be a tarnish on your record, especially if you ever had to testify in court.
We are very well aware of people with this anti-breeding agenda, in positions of authority, using "cruelty" charges to frame people up, when in fact it is YOUR industry which perpetrates gross negligence and cruelty on animals, and gets away with it.
If not for fanaticism and extremism, perhaps people could come to the table and work on some issues.. There are always issues to work on, room for improvement. But fanatics want it all, THEIR way, and are control freaks. They drive everyone else away from the table, and create more problems than they ever fix.
When you said that America was a great place to live (because we still had rights???), you forgot to mention the reason why we have Free Speech, and that is because it is one of the Constitutionally guaranteed (???) "Bill of Rights", which includes the right to "pursuit of happiness", also to the "3 Ps".. Privacy, Property, and Papers. You guys want to come and kick in doors, seize legal property and take our papers, computers, etc. You want to starve the dogs down, let them fight, and then take pictures of them as "evidence". You want to torment and kill our dogs, and then you have the nerve to say you are on the right side of things. NAZI's did the same, as do all thugs which get themselves into positions of power. Why? Generally, because it enriches them. They are thieves.. thug / thieves, with badges.
Fanaticism is a mental illness, in my opinion. Fanatics don't live in the real world. They live in a quasi reality in which Jews, black people, Native Americans, queers.. and now, animal breeders, are a threat to society which must be stopped. Like Don Quixote, they are inwardly zealots, and self-styled saviors, looking for giants to joust. Unlike the amusing and fictionary Don Quixote, they are scary and real. Yes, I guess you are a nightmare!
🔆From: Wakanska
To: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new A real sicko, IMO
I'm going to make a request that this person, Worst Nightmare (who should really call herself "Worst Bedwetter") is blocked from this list. She just wrote me some really sick crap, and I blocked her. She is garbage, IMO.. Take her out and close the door.
🔆From: Indy
To: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new A real sicko, IMO
I second Wakanska's request, and Wakanska, could you email me with the full headers what that sick scuzzball sent you? It needs to be exposed, and if not on this list, maybe somewhere else as an example of the aw/ar mindset.
To the mods, if you can get rid of that twit, we'd appreciate it, she's on this list but whether or not via that particular id/addy is another question. Obviously they're here, or they wouldn't have gotten this new email I'm posting from now. Good luck getting rid of her if you can. I've blocked that person as well from the addy they used to send the unwanted spammy private email harassment.
🔆From: Wakanska
To: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new A real sicko, IMO
It's not worth it. She just a sick little bedwetter.. Probably a teenager with nothing to do, living at home with mommy. I doubt that she is really a dog 'pound manager. Only idiots would give someone this immature a job with any responsibility, even cleaning up cr@p and killing dogs and cats. She wants to bait and upset people.. basically just a troll. Kick her back under the bridge. She's just a little ankle-biting wench!
🔆From: Indy
To: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new A real sicko, IMO
She's definitely got her head so far up her arse and probably loves the smell to boot. Real little egotistical twit who thinks she can save the world from itself and be God's gift to animals. That's just from what drivel she sent to everybody on her spam-list.
Oh, and she has sick fantasies about animals getting, what did she call it - "their lives drained away" You know how sickos such as her just love to wallow in descriptions of sad fantasies they make up, then try to project them on to the rest of the world. "I love to watch dogs die but I can't let anyone else know, yet I can't live without it and I want to be the world's biggest hero ever! Everybody has to love me and fear me as their nightmare if they breed animals, I am the great dog goddess after all! So, I must drone on and on accusing others of killing for fun, and put in as much sad detail as possible so I can imagine out my fantasies while making everybody else feel bad about keeping and breeding animals!"
I'd never knowingly let an animal in a room with her, too afraid she might cut an artery or strangle it to death just for the fun of it.
🔆From: Thomas Kirby
To: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new A real sicko, IMO
It's a sick idea to stop breeding. Millions of human-years of work have gone into domesticating animals and we still need to do more. This fulfills legitimate needs for all of us. This is part of our culture, a wonderful part. Tearing it down and starting over guarantees that we will have to make the same mistakes again.
🔆From: Wakanska
To: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new A real sicko, IMO
One of the things I am afraid of, is that the world will lose it's animal husbandry heritage (knowledge base and breeding stock) and end up helpless to provide for itself, if the economy completely collapses. It seems like such a thing would never happen, and that our wonderful technology and economy would provide for us all completely, but in recent times it seems more plausible that things could go wrong. Animal husbandry and agriculture have, on the other hand, provided for human needs for thousands of years. Agriculture is actually a lot more fallible, whereas livestock, herding and grazing have proven more sustainable. Where there are cattle and sheep, man needs dogs to help manage and tend them.
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:06:29 -0800 (PST)
🔆From: Joanie Stambaugh the_hardluck_hounds@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: petlaw Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Digest Number 1810 In-reply-to: C97B29DDD272254BBBFE27217EC7D66151E640AF33@EXVMBX016-5.exch016.msoutlookonline.net
To: pet-law@yahoogroups.com, Your Nightmare uracraigslistjerk@yahoo.com, Michele Smith msmith@cmscrescue.com
Cc: "Indy", "sarah", "petowner", "wakanska", "doug.haldane", "smallfarmingusa", "k-9kampus@att.net", "slowswimmer", "rgotte8016@charter.net", "dog_anti-rescue_ anti-peta_ new@yahoogroups.com", "dog_anti-rescue_ anti-peta_ new-owner"@yahoogroups.com, "sheltieoldlines@yahoogroups.com", "breederlawsandethics@yahoogroups.com", "BreederOwnerHandler@yahoogroups.com", "WPaDogBreeders@yahoogroups.com", "dogbehaviorscience@yahoogroups.com", "doglegislation@yahoogroups.com", "PennDogLeg@yahoogroups.com", "PACCQ@yahoogroups.com", "ownerhandlers@yahoogroups.com", "americanssa@yahoogroups.com", "naiaandnaiatrustmembers@yahoogroups.com"
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I agree, this is something they are given to send out when the 'heat is on'. I have seen something like it, almost word for word several times before. Yes, it is a shame they can not think for themselves.
I would love to compare notes with this goofball.... I have worked in a shelter, assisted in putting down dogs with illness, injuries and some that had to be put down because they were just plan mean. There is a reason for the dogs being there and it certainly isn't always the dreaded overpopulation story we get either.
Well, I'm off to bed shortly, I have a rabbit show tomorrow and it is a long drive in the very early morning....
Joanie
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🔅From: 💢🔅👹🤥💩Your Nightmare uracraigslistjerk@yahoo.com
Subject: Joanie and Her Own FURBABIES
To: elizabeth
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Hey all,
you really should check out Joanie Stanbaugh's Hard Luck Hounds. She is one of the most vocal on this group but in reality she boasts that she is a RESCUE
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🔅From: 💢🔅👹🤥💩Your Nightmare uracraigslistjerk@yahoo.com
Subject:
To: elizabeth@
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AH hell......even good ole elizabeth boasts the A/R language on her own website.
Dogs are dogs honey, they are not actors or actresses...(neither are you, but that's for another group).......LOL
Little Joanie calls her RESCUES furbabies on her site..
Damn it, if you are going to 🚺🐶wench about the use of A/R language then quit using it yourselves just so you can sell more dogs!
#17800 🔆From: "Carolyn"
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:26 pm
Subject: Un-wanted emails/Harassment.... cgotte
I've received 2 emails from "Your Nightmare" today. I believe I received 2 more the other day now that I think about it but I deleted them without thinking about who it was from because the subject didn't interest me.
Isn't this person a member of this group? I do not appreciate people taking my personal email address & adding me to their list of people they want to bother!
Is this person "Your Nightmare" still a member here?
~Carolyn in MI
#17801 🔆From: SmallFarmingUSA
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Un-wanted emails/Harassment.... smallfarmingusa
I'm receiving them too. I believe yahoo has regulations about spamming/stalking/harassing.
#17805 🔆From: Elizabeth Brinkley
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:03 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Un-wanted emails/Harassment.... etbmfa
I reported that email address to Yahoo for harassment. Maybe they will yank the address if a few more send requests.
Elizabeth Brinkley,
"One of the greatest delusions of the world is the HOPE that the EVILS of this world are to be CURED BY LEGISLATION." Thomas B. Reed 1886
#17807 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Un-wanted emails/Harassment.... wakanska2003
That's a good idea. I'll report "Worst Bedwetter", too!
After I got to thinking about it, I realized that this tract that she is sending around is canned. I've seen it before, the bit about "life draining from their eyes". Life does not drain from the eyes! What an idiot, who wrote this, anyway. But it's old stuff. Bedwetter is just a spammer. I forgot the rules about "Don't feed the trolls", and sent a reply to what I thought was this list.. (Other rule broken: Always check the "To:" line before hitting "Send"). It went to her personal email box. She then sent me a really nasty, sick reply.. something indicating a very immature and disturbed mind". She is probably a teenager, or someone who is VERY uneducated and uncouth!
#17802 🔆From: SmallFarmingUSA
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:47 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Un-wanted emails/Harassment.... smallfarmingusa
I just forwarded a copy to yahoo as a TOS violation; blocked it from my email and advised yahoo I have never corresponded with this person and certainly didn't know her well enough to be called 'honey'.
I also don't sell dogs.
Fwd them to abuse@...
If not coming through the list there is no right to begin blanket messaging everyone. But there's a troll somewhere on the list. *waving*
J
#17803 🔆From: "Carolyn"
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:41 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Un-wanted emails/Harassment.... cgotte
Thank you for sharing what you did. I had no idea what to do so I did the same thing by forwarding the emails to the address you shared & also blocked the persons email address. I don't mind if people sometimes contact me personally for conversation but I'm not interested in being put on a list with a bunch of people to harass! That's not why I'm here on this group or any group for that matter.
~Carolyn in MI
#17812 🔆From: "down_with_peta"
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:44 pm
Subject: Heads Up: Nightmare May Have Given Everyone's Address to Peta! down_with_peta
There is no freaking way Ingrid Newkirk's stupid Peta newsletter should've gotten my address, but today, I received an email, and suspect Nightmare subscribed me to Peta news as "Sarah the🚺🐶wench" and that she is lurking on all the anti-ar lists under a different id while using the uracraigslistjerk addy to harass people in their private inboxes. This is to avoid getting her other id banned off lists.
I wouldn't respond to her and blocked her at my Sarah3 addy, so she, (it had to be her) subscribed that addy to Peta's newsletter.
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🔆The propaganda letter itself isn't even worth looking at, let alone including here.
There's an interesting site in the headers above where you can report Peta as a nuissance, if enough of us do this, maybe they'll remove Peta from their "safelist" altogether.
Nightmare is simply an attention-seeking, power-hungry trouble-maker, and a very gullible one to boot. I don't know what it is that's making her so incredibly obnoxious and stupid, but it sure works!
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:57:06 -0800 (PST)
🔆From: Joanie Stambaugh the_hardluck_hounds@yahoo.com
Subject: Re:
In-reply-to: 503162.31506.qm@web59912.mail.ac4.yahoo.com
To: uracraigslistjerk@yahoo.com, dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new-owner@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Michele Smith msmith@cmscrescue.com, "Indy", "sarah", "petowner", "wakanska", "doug.haldane", "smallfarmingusa", "k-9kampus@att.net", "slowswimmer", "rgotte",
Reply-to: the_hardluck_hounds@yahoo.com
Message-id: 71131.49708.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Hhhhhhmmmm, on my site? I do believe that I had the Petfinder deleted over a month ago. Why? Because I no longer believe in the AR propaganda. My site was petfinder.com/shelters/OH376 and I am sure it is long gone. I have not gone back to check but I spoke directly to Sarah Greene over a month ago and told her to remove the site effective immediately.
Honey, the only people selling dogs happens to be rescuers...... Look at those outrageous prices for a mutt!! And to think they call themselves rescuers.... for shame, they are only brokering dogs!!
Oh, and my dogs are my babies because they mind a hell of alot better than my stepchildren do and I spoil my dogs because I have always done so, even as a child. They are my companions, nothing more so I treat them well. I do not breed dogs or cats, I just keep them around for sanity purposes..... Besides, I do breed my rabbits and will until I tire of it or find something better to do. So, now you may take that flying leap and kiss my @$$!!!
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:48:51 -0800 (PST)
🔆From: Joanie Stambaugh the_hardluck_hounds@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Joanie and Her Own FURBABIES
In-reply-to: 630563.69160.qm@web59906.mail.ac4.yahoo.com
To: elizabeth, uracraigslistjerk@yahoo.com, Michele Smith msmith@cmscrescue.com
Cc: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new-owner@yahoogroups.com, "Indy", "sarah", "petowner", "wakanska", "doug.haldane" "smallfarmingusa" "k-9kampus@att.net", "slowswimmer", "rgotte",
Reply-to: the_hardluck_hounds@yahoo.com
Message-id: 681550.39250.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Sorry but you are sooo wrong about me, as usual. Oh, and you mispelled my last name too, dumb@$$.
First off, I am not a member of the group and haven't been in a quite a LONG time... Seems that Betterway404 had one of his/her mood swings and removed me months ago. Sorry but I don't need to be on a group in order to find out who the nutcases are or what is going on....
Secondly, I DO NOT do rescue. I quit for health reasons and to work on breeding rabbits for show. Another reason I quit is because of so many folks claiming to do rescue but they are only in it for the money, not the animals, as they claim to be. They are nothing more than dog brokers moving dogs from one place to another for profit and claiming to be doing rescue..... Also, I am tired of every animal they take in being a rescue. Hell, most of them are given the animals by a caring owner who is moving or going to a nursing home or whatever, not because the animal was dying in the streets, yet the "rescue" claims to have saved that life. BULLCR@P!! Also, I am tired of the way rescues are always patting each other on the back and claiming to be doing such a wonderful job but in all reality, they are only doing stuff for the glory, not the animal. If they want to convince me of their doing rescue work, let them get out in the cold and horrible weather and go out and feed someone's starving animals or take a horse some hay and grain because the owner has no money due to losing a job. Yeah, so much for those ARs and Rescuers, huh?
Thirdly, I do not condone PETA and their terroristic tactics or HSUS . I have no desire to harass farmers or medical labs who are doing what they can to either provide food for our tables or to cure diseases.
Before you start your nonsense with me, you had better have your info correct and if you continue to harass me, I will send a complaint to Yahoo to see about getting your ID deleted for violation of TOS.
Oh, by the way, unlike you, I do not hide behind a ridiculous ID, I have no reason to hide my name or anything else.... So, what's your excuse?
#17818 🔆From: Elizabeth Brinkley
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:40 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Heads Up: Nightmare May Have Given Everyone's Address to Peta! etbmfa
Wondered why I suddenly got a post from PeTA today - I sent it to the spam folder. It belongs in the garbage can. Guess I should block their email addy too.
Elizabeth
#17827 🔆From: "Indy"
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:51 pm
Subject: "Nightmare" isn't through yet down_with_peta
Now they've signed me up to a lame dating site! as "Sarah f---s her doggy!" Dead giveaway it's this Nightmare's idea.
Only an animal rights pervo could come up with something that sick.
Lol what a twit! I don't even own a dog! And not into - that sort of activity. But since Nighty-nightmare suggested it, she likely is. LOSER!
Anyway, Like I'm gonna go to any stupid dating site, I just blocked anything that will come from that domain and will keep blocking any junk sites that sleezy little cowardly bullying idiot Nighty-Nightmare signs me up to.
I'll continue to keep you updated as to her bullying and harassment attempts, but I will not write to Nightmare directly, she's just way too low for me to acknowledge in that way. She's not worth it and she's too stupid to learn anything that resembles common sense or how to be nice.
#17831 🔆From: Elizabeth Brinkley
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:59 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new "Nightmare" isn't through yet etbmfa
Don't feel bad - they have signed me up for an ALF newsletter as "bad actress". I guess they would be experts on acting since they are all so good at "acting" like they care about animals instead of just hate humans.
Elizabeth Brinkley
#17834 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:53 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new "Nightmare" isn't through yet wakanska2003
So, has anyone actually reported her for abuse of Yahoo privileges?
#17841 🔆From: Elizabeth Brinkley
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:15 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new "Nightmare" isn't through yet etbmfa
Yes - twice to Yahoo and I am putting together a report to file with the FBI's Internet Squad too. They take domestic terrorism very seriously.
Elizabeth
#17855 🔆From: Thomas Kirby
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:28 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new "Nightmare" isn't through yet slowswimmer1
I reported what was going on to the Yahoo administration to cover my behind.
#17854 🔆From: Thomas Kirby
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:26 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new "Nightmare" isn't through yet slowswimmer1
It's not love of life when they use it as a weapon against other people of their own race. They're human themselves, and they're hating on their own species and their own selves. The most dangerous currents of history come from people who hate themselves and humanity. That is why legitimacy must be withheld from them.
#17835 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:55 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new "Nightmare" isn't through yet wakanska2003
She is probably underage.. a teenager, or perhaps low IQ.. maybe about 70, little to no education. It shows.
#17843 🔆From: Thomas Kirby
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:51 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new "Nightmare" isn't through yet slowswimmer1
They signed me up to an ALF discussion forum. You think you feel dirty!
#17845 🔆From: "Indy"
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:54 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new "Nightmare" isn't through yet down_with_peta
Yes, sheesh, what a troll.
#17846 🔆From: "Indy"
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:57 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new "Nightmare" isn't through yet down_with_peta Man, I think "Nightmare" should be renamed "DesperatEgo!"
#17848 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:00 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new "Nightmare" isn't through yet wakanska2003
Well, MY worst nightmare, when I was in the Girl Scouts, was being the one who got to share a pup tent with a bedwetter. That was NO fun! They were crybabies! That's why I call this one "Worst Bedwetter". She reminds me of a spoiled brat!
#17849 🔆From: "Indy"
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:35 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new "Nightmare" isn't through yet down_with_peta
I agree "spoiled brat" describes her to a tee!
#17851 🔆From: "petowner"
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:19 am
Subject: To "Nightmare" petowner
You don't have the guts to debate the issues first hand. You hide and send private emails. You praise the "shelters" and blame the "breeders" for the dogs that are there while your precious "shelters" import more and more mutts from foreign countries. You claim you are "one of the ones who has to clean up the mess" made by breeders, but in fact you are the one who CAUSED the mess by importing. Don't talk to me about "oops litters" as long as your so-called "shelters" are bringing in Puerto Rico mutts by the thousands.
You claim that you are "entitled" to your opinion, yet you are so ashamed of it that you must hide to state it.
#17853 🔆From: "Indy"
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:12 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new To "Nightmare" down_with_peta
Yeah, and for all her mewling that she's entitled to her own opinion, it's so obvious that Nightmare the Craigslist jerk not only totally refuses to listen to common sense, she also does not believe we are entitled to our own opinions, and we're not entitled to set things straight on what the facts are. Nightmare Craigslistjerk is so full of hate and so desperate in the power-struggle she has tried to wage against breeders and others who see her drippy nonsense for what it is, that she resorts to subscribing us to sleezy and terrorist outfit newsletters.
At the end of her first incoherent rant, which according to others is just a stupid pro-animal pound and anti-breeder HSUS-style chain letter, she demonstrates the idiocy of believing that there are dogs in dogfood and cats in catfood. That myth was started by the HSUS people in an attempt to scare people off buying petfood, and in order to not buy pet food, if you can't or don't make your own, chances are, you won't get a pet, which is exactly what HSUS wants.
What a blockhead.
#17863 🔆From: SmallFarmingUSA
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:36 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new To "Nightmare" smallfarmingusa
Y'think Craigslist would like their name being used this way? I think not.
#17864 🔆From: SmallFarmingUSA
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:30 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new "Nightmare" isn't through yet smallfarmingusa
You know...now that the courts have upheld cyberbullying to be ILLEGAL and something you can go to court for. Seems like this is the same thing...harassment and cyberbullying. Sounds like it might be time to get an IP address (or have one of her accounts do it) and hold others accountable too!
#17867 🔆From: "Indy"
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new To "Nightmare" down_with_peta
If I knew how to get the ip address that exposed Nightmare's isp, I would, and then report her to that isp.
I don't think Craigslist would give a hoot how their name is used as long as somebody else isn't actually pretending to be them. There are so many animal activists over there and nothing is being done to stop that. Petfinder as well.
I avoid those sites like the plague. Well, Craigslist I might use for something non-animal related, but haven't had the need to yet. Petfinder, though, forget it! Some good news: Nightmare has not subscribed me to any more stupid junk sites since my last report of such to this list.
#17868 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new To "Nightmare" wakanska
I've been getting a lot of junk emails with my own address in there as the sender. Has anyone else experienced this? I just delete them. I don't even open them.
#17869 🔆From: "Indy"
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new To "Nightmare" down_with_peta
I get those spam emails too, I think that might be some sort of wildcard program where the spammer hits a whole domain, and that whoever gets the spam, it looks as if it came from their own address. Really dirty trick IMO. Got a lot of that in the spring and summer.
#17870 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new To "Nightmare" wakanska
I'm just going to have to go in and block my own email addy.
#17871 🔆From: "Indy"
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new To "Nightmare" down_with_peta
The trouble with blocking your own addy is then you can't send copies of things to yourself that you might want to keep track of, or be sure your email is working if you use email interface to post to yahoo, Google groups, or any other listserv.
And there have even been cases of spammers sending junk under addresses of my friends, but that's because those particular friends were suckers for junky viral e-card and chain letter sites like mailbits.com
#17872 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new To "Nightmare" wakanska
Well, I just did it, anyway. It's actually on another email account where I have the problem. Apparently it was harvested from my website. If I want to send stuff to myself I can just use another account.
I have a friend who is pretty intelligent, but he was forever sending me all this garbage about a dying child who was going to get a free trip to Disneyland if he could get enough email "penpals". I tried and tried to tell this jerkoff that he was being suckered, and to stop sending me that crap. He finally stopped sending me anything at all, because he was spamming me with propaganda and I told him off as nicely as I could that he was just being foolish and irresponsible. That was the end of the friendship, I think.. Haven't heard from him in a few years, now. Oh, well!
This guy is so dumb, he married a Phillipino girl that he just "happened" to meet when a friend of his took him over there, and sure enough, ol' Numnutz goes and marries her, spends oodles of money to get her over here (lots of hurdles to jump to do it), sends her family money, etc. and spends seven years with her, then has to get a divorce because she is screwing other guys, being a lazy B (no job, can't get a driver's license after 7 tries, no housework, cooking, nothing.. He has to hire a housekeeper for her, AFTER he buys her a house and spends a ton of money remodeling it) and starts acting really crazy and threatening to kill him when he is sleeping! She gave him an infection (STD) and was probably a Subic Bay hooker before she met him. I was the one who helped him by serving her with divorce papers! Before that, he came over, head in his hands and says he's made a mess of his life.. Doesn't know what to do and wishes someone had stopped him. We told him several times to stop and think about what he was doing, but he wouldn't listen.
Yup.. And these are the kind of impulsive losers that send their friends infected emails, chain letters and so on. Then they get pissed off if you tell them you don't like it..
Hey! And, what is wrong with guys that can't find a girlfriend over here?
#17873 🔆From: "Indy"
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new To "Nightmare" down_with_peta
Oh man, what a ssucker-schmuck. Pretty sad when sending chain letters is the least of his getting suckered. Don't you just want to smack people like that upside the head!?
And I had friends like that with the chain letters thing. They hardly ever sent email unless it was some stupid forward, and when they were shown what hoaxes and junk this stuff is, they stopped emailing. A couple of them still send stupid junk to other people I know, which really ticks me off. To them, impersonal feel-good chain letters and their ego is really much more important than a real friendship. Gah!
I don't understand people like the guy who used to be your friend, why he got himself into so much trouble with that girl, but the romance-bug (I can't quite bring myself to call that "love") can really make otherwise intelligent people turn dumb when it's obvious to everyone else the relationship they're getting into is going to be big trouble down the road.
I guess the reason guys like that can't find a gf here and think they have to go somewhere else is probably the same thing that makes girls go totally ga-ga over Edward Cullen in that horrid Twilight series! They're really talking about the new Twilight movie that's coming out now, even at my work. Ugh, I just don't get it.
#17874 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:01 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new To "Nightmare" wakanska
I think with the guys (some, not all) is just sex. They think they will get lots of sex, and they will do anything. This guy is really into porn and wanking off in front of his PC with people (strangers) on the internet. After his separation, a nice gal at his workplace let him sleep in a spare room in her home. Then her adult daughter walked in on him when she came to get one of the things she left behind. The whole family freaked out, because it was so strange and it didn't help that he was a different race. They weren't used to seeing a white boy nekkid. So, they asked him to leave ASAP. How dumb is that?
#17875 🔆From: "Indy"
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:29 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new To "Nightmare" down_with_peta
Blech, that guy sounds like a winner - not.
It's the same thing with the silly fangirls too. Only add delusional on top of hormone-driven. "Edward Cullen is soooo hot, and I wish I could get with him!" Or even, and yes, I've seen this - "I wanna/will mary Edward Cullen!"
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🔅From: 💢🔅👹🤥💩Pretty One onepretty91@yahoo.com
Subject: ⛓✉️💢🔅🤥💩Breeders Book
To: dog_anti-rescue_ anti-peta_new@yahoogroups.com, elizabeth, petowner222, rgotte, sarah, sheltieoldlines@yahoogroups.com, slowswimmer, doug.haldane, smallfarmingusa, the_hardluck_hounds@yahoo.com, wakanska
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⛓✉️💢🔅🤥💩Breeders Big Book of Old Excuses
The Backyard Breeders' and Puppy Millers' Big Book of Old Excuses
Written by Denna Pace, ©2002
1. When called on bad breeding practices, ALWAYS claim that you are merely an innocent posting as a favor to a friend or family member.
2. Point out that everybody you know breeds this way, therefore it must be okay.
3. Claim that "snobby show breeders" are only criticizing you because they want to corner the market on puppy profit.
4. Claim that a Champion in the pedigree is just as good as 56 Champions in the pedigree. Not that it matters, because you doubt that there is such a thing as a dog with 56 champions in the pedigree.
5. Claim that you are just trying to produce good pets, therefore good pets are all you need for breeding.
6. When asked about health testing, enthusiastically point out that your 🚺🐶wench had a health checkup before breeding.
7. Be sure to mention that you do not need to run such health tests as OFA, CERF, thyroid, cardiac, patellae, etc., because your dogs look healthy and had no visible problems at their last vet checkup.
8. Point out that these tests cost too much and would cut into your profit margin. Be sure to champion the right of poor people to breed dogs.
9. Confidently assure worried rescuers that no puppy you produce, or any of their puppies or grand puppies or great-grandpuppies will end up in shelters because you have a bunch of friends who have told you that they'd like a pup from your 🚺🐶wench.
10. Point out that you don't need Championships or working titles on your dogs because you are breeding for temperament and your dog is really sweet.
11. Silence those annoying people who ask about your health guarantee by assuring them that buyers can return any sick puppies and you will replace it with another pup as long as it got sick within a certain amount of time of sale and as long as you don't think the buyer did something to make the puppy sick.
12. If your breed or line is rare (or you have a "rare" color, or believe your breed or color is rare), be sure to remind everyone that you do not need to show, temperament test, or health test your breeding stock because you are doing the world a service by continuing this "rare" breed/color/line.
13. No matter what anyone else says, claim that you obviously know what you are doing because you've been breeding for a long time. Point to the hundreds of puppies you've pumped out over the years as proof.
14. If this is your first attempt at breeding, make sure to remind everyone that you HAVE to breed your dog because how else are you going to learn how to breed?
15. Assure everyone that your dog does not need to be shown because you were assured by someone at Petsmart/the park/the vet's office/a friend that your dog is a perfect example of the breed.
16. Always remember that "rare" colors, oversized or undersized dogs, and mixes of popular breeds are great selling points. Anyone who doesn't think so is obviously not in tune with their customers' wishes..
17. Claim that your dogs are better because they are not inbred, as inbreeding obviously produces sick/stupid/deformed dogs. If breeding poo [as in "Cock-a-Poo," "Peek-a-Poo," etc.] dogs or other mutts, always point to "hybrid vigor" as proof of your dogs' superiority.
18. Remind everyone that you do not need a waiting list because your puppies are cute.
19. Assure everyone that your puppies will not end up in shelters because they are cute.
20. Claim that YOUR breed never ends up in shelters in your area, therefore your puppies will never end up in shelters.
21. If asked why you think your dogs are breeding quality, point out that they "have papers." Extra points awarded for using the phrase "AKC Certified." Double points if those papers come from the Continental Kennel Club.
22. If you sell a sick puppy, always blame the owners for making it sick. If the owners are clearly not responsible, blame their vet. (see #11)
23. If presented with irrefutable evidence proving you wrong on any excuses you have used, pretend your server did not receive the post/e-mail.
24. Claim that none of the rules of ethical breeding apply to you because you only intend to have one litter and therefore aren't a "real" breeder.
25. If all else fails, tell everyone who criticizes you to "get a life."
Sarah made a post to a list, reacting to Nightmare's earlier rant about people's "fur babies" etc. but without actually addressing Nightmare.
🔆From: Sarah:
I agree about the bad owners being the ones who try to make their animals into little people. that is definitely bad and causes problems in so many ways.
I don't agree with the other theory people use when training dogs, by calling themselves "members of the dog's pack" and acting like the "alpha dog" that's a sort of reverse-anthropomorphism that causes just as much confusion and problems as the other kind.
because after all, dogs are dogs and people are people, and even dogs can determine which is a dog and which is not their own species.
I disagree with the idea there are no bad dogs. I don't mean "bad" in any moral sense either. I mean there are just some animals that are simply not fit for living in a home because they pee all over the place, chew stuff up, bark endlessly, and no matter how anyone tries, the dog just misbehaves. That's no reflection on the owner, particularly when that same owner and home has animals that do behave and aren't causing a ton of problems.
Too many aws are so busy blaming the owners for absolutely everything that goes wrong with animals, and sometimes it's just that particular animal isn't working out, even when the person is doing everything right.
Nightmare requoted it, then threw a fit into Sarah's inbox, which Sarah then posted back to the list.
Nightmare/Pretty One uses strong language and a racial slur and those have been replaced with "flare" and a bomb emoji.:
Return-path: onepretty91@yahoo.com
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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:40:08 -0800 (PST)
🔅From: 💢🔅👹🤥💩Pretty One onepretty91@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: What can Each of us Do ?
To: sarah
Reply-to: onepretty91@yahoo.com
Message-id: <185702.26129.qm@web59816.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
you are so full of cr@p..........show me 1 just 1 instance of this drivel you are trying to push down everyones throat. How in the hell can you blame the A/R's for this?
I was in complete agreement with you until your last sentence..........then true to form, you start blaming the a/r's. Gads, get over it girl, the a/r's are here to stay and we will win in the end.
Just because YOU don't like something, you find a way to make it the a/r's fault. Why must you constantly throw the A/R card in the rink? You are acting just as bad as the n💣s who constantly throw the black card. Grow the flare up and do everyone a favor and shut the flare up.
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#17991 🔆From: Indy
Date: Sun Dec 7, 2008 11:59 pm
Subject: Animal Activist's Book of Old Excuses down_with_peta
Your Night Mare" uracragslistjerk at yahoo.com is still making a big nuisance of herself. She is now emailing as "Pretty One" onepretty91 at yahoo.com Instead of the stupid bullcrap HSUS chain letter quoting Dimwitted Denna Pace's 2002 "puppy miller" anti-breeder propaganda that One Pretty Little Jerk of a Nightmare passed on,
here's something else.
Animal Activist's Big Book of Old Lies
1. When called on obnoxious behavior, ALWAYS claim that you are saving the animals.
2. Point out that you are the only one who cares for the animals so much.
3. Claim that people are only disagreeing with you because they don't care about the animals and they just want to corner the market on animal profit.
4. Claim that broiler chickens are as dear as Jews.
5. Claim that you are just trying to stop puppy mills.
6. When asked about animal testing, enthusiastically point out that it is all agonizing torture and there's no reason for it unless all tests on living things be done on brain damaged people.
7. Be sure to mention that no one needs to benefit from such tests.
8. Point out that these tests cost too much and the researchers are only in it to make a proffit.
9. Confidently assure your fellow hysterical self-righteous animal-panicked "rescuers" that you will never sleep good at night until every last animal has been taken from the homes of the owners you and they are persecuting.
10. Point out that you don't need proof that Toby Rabbit and bonsai kitties are living in constant fear of their lives being taken, living instates of abject cruel abuse and exploitation, you KNOW they are and your life's mission is to save those poor kitties and bunnies!
11. Silence those annoying people who remind you that your favorite animal rights group has killed more animals and hurt more people than it could ever help.
12. If your attitude is particularly obnoxious and you happen to have any information on people who have dared to tell you to shut your tofu-hole, use it against them. Sign people's addresses up to stupid dating sites, your favorite terrorist web sites, send everybody on your hate-list incoherent rambles and stupid lame activist chain letters that were debunked long ago.
13. No matter what anyone else says, claim that you obviously know what you are doing because you've been reading and passing on sad animal abuse stories for a very long time, you care so much and know that every single tale you spread is true, unless it happens to be about your own animals.
14. If this is your first attempt at activism, make sure to remind everyone that you love the animals!
15. Assure everyone that you only have the animal's best interest at heart.
16. Always remember that people other than you and your like-minded friends at Peta or HSUS and the animal "rescue" circuit, are irresponsible slobs by default so wouldn't provide a good home for an animal, especially if they don't promise you they will speuter.
17. Claim that your standards for animal care and ability at handling difficult people are better because you are a "rescue"
18. Remind everyone that you do not need an ego-chattering wake-up call from people telling you you're believing in a pile of outdated myths that were debunked long ago.
19. Assure everyone that you really, like for really real, LOVE THE ANIMALS!
20. Claim that YOUR position of "Save the animals, abuse the people!" is the most compassionate ever on Planet Earth!
21. If asked why you think you're so special, tell them all about your imagined "rescues" and don't forget the tear-jerking animal abuse tales, the sadder the better. Extra points if you make them cry. Double points if you make yourself cry.
22. If you quote people you believe were for the animal activist cause, you can assure yourself that everybody will stop what they're doing and listen to you and do what you want. Extra points for taking something from a religious text and twisting it to suit your idiology.
23. If presented with irrefutable evidence proving you wrong on any excuses you have used, pretend your server did not receive the post/e-mail.
24. Claim that none of the rules of ethics apply to you because you only care for the animals.
25. If all else fails, tell everyone who criticizes you to "get a life."
#17992 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Mon Dec 8, 2008 12:28 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Animal Activist's Book of Old Excuses wakanska
Yeah, I got that. I blocked her.
Think about it.. The "91" part of the name... She's 17. Just like I figured. This is a stupid, immature kid. As soon as she sent me the malevolent email about my daughter being lucky to be dead or some cr@p like that, I knew she had to be a stupid, spoiled brat. Like I said.. Biggest Bedwetter!
#17995 🔆From: Elizabeth Brinkley
Date: Mon Dec 8, 2008 12:33 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Animal Activist's Book of Old Excuses etbmfa
Somebody did a psychological profile of the typical AR a few years back - can't remember who but they said the average was a single female, college educated, between the age of 21 and 45 with difficulty feeling empathy toward other humans, substituting animals for children and easily manipulated by others. If she graduated in "91 she would fit that profile.
Elizabeth
#17993 🔆From: "Indy"
Date: Mon Dec 8, 2008 1:46 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Animal Activist's Book of Old Excuses down_with_peta
Yes, lol!
Either that or the reference to 91 could be the age she signed up my account on match.com. I got an email from one of their spin-off sites yesterday, and that reminded me to actually go to match.com and see about deleting or at least changing what profile she had made on there for my email addy so she can't get back in and muck about with it some more.
I changed the username from the perverted one she put "SarahF*xHerDoggy" to "ABratSignedMeUp" and changed my age to something other than 91, she had my account as being born in 1919, the farthest back you can put a birth year on that site.
Pretty little Nightmare is also a lesbo because she put "I am a: woman Looking for: women"
Hah, she's mad because we keep rejecting her advances and her silly ar propaganda chain letters and pathetic whining.
You're right, she is a big spoiled brat bed wetter! Lol!
#17994 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Mon Dec 8, 2008 3:00 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Animal Activist's Book of Old Excuses wakanska
Oh, I get it! She wants attention! She must be very lonely. Maybe she'll find a nice big hairy bulldike to talk dirty to her!
#17996 🔆From: "Indy"
Date: Mon Dec 8, 2008 6:51 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Animal Activist's Book of Old Excuses down_with_peta
Yeah, lol, eww.
#17998 🔆From: "Carolyn"
Date: Mon Dec 8, 2008 8:16 am
Subject: Re: Animal Activist's Book of Old Excuses cgotte
I received this message also from: "onepretty91@..." Another address to put on my block list!!
Lucky Me!!
LOL
~Carolyn
#17999 🔆From: "Indy"
Date: Mon Dec 8, 2008 10:23 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Re: Animal Activist's Book of Old Excuses down_with_peta
Yes, I know Wakanska has noted that a lot of ars fit this profile too, and somewhere I have a write-up of a typical pound worker as well.
Carolyn, yes, lol, I've done likewise, One Pretty Annoying Little Joke And Jerk Of A Nightmare's second addy is blocked from my inbox as well.
#18009 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:06 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new The Pretty Little Brat's Tantrum You Didn't SeeWhat a wangst. wakanska
She's a nasty little racist wench, too!
#18010 🔆From: "petowner"
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:13 am
Subject: language petowner
I am of the opinion that the moment anyone uses foul language, they loose all arguments and loose all credibility. Regardless of the validity of the original point, all is lost with the use of the "F" word.
#18011 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:32 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new language wakanska
Well, that's your opinion. Lots of people around Los Angeles use it. It just depends on the people you are around at the time. The thing I see about people who use it is that they tend to use it a lot, and they have very small vocabularies. It's really sort of a catch-all adjective, which serves to show the current attitude of the speaker.
#18012 🔆From: "petowner"
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:40 am
Subject: the "n" word petowner
The "n" word is something that should be avoided on this group. This group is to have Christian values and the "n" word has taken on a very hurtful meaning to innocent people, contrary to the intentions of this group, so it should be avoided.
I must say that the "n" word has evolved considerably in the last few years. When I read literature of a hundred years ago, I find that the word was not meant as an insult. The book "Huckleberry Finn" had a main character named "n" Jim. The name was not used as an insult and the character called himself by the name. I find no literature of a hundred years ago where the name was used as an insult.
The word "backyard breeder" similarly was not originally used as an insult. It's when someone INTENDS for a word to be an insult, then it becomes an insult.
#18013 🔆From: "petowner"
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:45 am
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new language petowner
Yes, it's MY opinion. I would rather pull the plug on this group today than see it degrade to such filth. There is still a considerable portion of this country who find such "adjectives" to be offensive.
Some people find pornography to be acceptable. Some people find murder to be acceptable. It's just a matter of where you draw the line.
#18014 🔆From: "elusive375"
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:55 am
Subject: Re: the "n" word elusive
Any time a word is intended to insult of offend innocent people, the word should be avoided.
#18017 🔆From: "Carolyn"
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new The Pretty Little Brat's Tantrum You Didn't SeeWhat a wangst. cgotte
That is Really the most Pathetic bunch of Garbage!!
I wonder why that person felt the need to throw the racist remarks in comments about ar's?!
Seems like a lack of intelligence & morals also.
~Carolyn
#18018 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:19 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new the "n" word wakanska
From a legal standpoint, it's probably something similar to sexual harassment. Sexual harassment happens, by definition, when only one or both of two conditions exist. One is intent, and the other is perception. Even if a sexual innuendo is made in harmless fun, if the hearer interprets it as sexual harassment, it's sexual harassment.
#18019 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:22 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new language wakanska
Well, bad taste it is, but nothing even close to the worst examples of pornography (which makes a very broad range, from tolerable to deplorable), and certainly nothing like murder. If you can't draw the line at a reasonable place, then anything could be called "cruelty", including depriving FiFi of a warmed water bed.
#18020 🔆From: Wakanska
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:26 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new Re: the "n" word wakanska
Too bad so many black people use it! I hear them frequently. I was out to dinner the night that McCain conceded to Obama, and one black man in the dining room yelled, "Now we got a N💣 in the White House, and it's gonna be the BLACK house, now!"
Therefore, I see this 'n' word thing as a control issue, with a double standard.. They can say it, but we whites cannot. To me, that is a free speech thing. I don't choose to use it and I assume that neither do most blacks.. nor do they call each other "boy". But it really should be a matter of personal choice. Like use (especially overuse) of the F word, it really doesn't show a lot of class.
#18021 🔆From: "petowner"
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: the "n" word race relations petowner222
There are a lot of double standards in race issues. We should not have hiring based on the color of the skin, yet "affirmative action" says we should hire less qualified people just because they are black.
Things like that hurts race relations. NAACP...What if we had a NaaWP?
I think the fact that almost ALL black people voted for Obama hurt race relations. What if WHITE people were that faithful to other WHITE people. Their vote showed a loyalty based on skin color. I really thought that racism was greatly on the decline until Obama's preacher showed us otherwise.
#18023 🔆From: Elizabeth Brinkley
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:20 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new The Pretty Little Brat's Tantrum You Didn't SeeWhat a wangst. etbmfa
Finally remembered where I saw the profile on the AR mental health problems ( of which this poor thing's email below is a clear indicator). The book "Animal Scam, The Beastly Abuse of Human Rights" by Kathleen Marquardt. Its out of print now but Amazon. com usually has some copies floating around.
Elizabeth (Requoted Nightmare/Pretty One's email deleted.)
#18024 🔆From: Elizabeth Brinkley
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: dog_anti-rescue_anti-peta_new language etbmfa
My argument against this stupid word is very simple - Shakespeare used more than 17,000 words in his work. He invented 3000 words. And NOT ONCE did he use the "F" word.
Elizabeth
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